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Re:Amazon delivery drivers complain about bad work conditions by notatoad on Sunday December 10, 2017 @08:14PM (#15894514)
>Who is to blame? Amazon? The companies? The drivers? Capitalism gone mad?

All of the above? But mostly Amazon. We need to stop letting companies get away with poor practices by blaming it on a contractor. Companies should be accountable for the behaviour of their contractors.

If Amazon wants to structure their delivery business around contractors, they have a responsibility to require the contractors provide good working conditions.

Re:Amazon delivery drivers complain about bad work conditions by PeachPlum on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:40AM (#15895853)
While I have some sympathy for that position....

"Hello, can you have someone deliver this parcel for me. I'll pay you $5"

You're saying that if Amazon is asking that, they are responsible for the life of the person delivering it.

If I am asking Amazon that, therefore, does that make me responsible?

Re:Amazon delivery drivers complain about bad work conditions by arthur_pryor on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:48AM (#15895873)
> You're saying that if Amazon is asking that, they are responsible for the life of the person delivering it.

> If I am asking Amazon that, therefore, does that make me responsible?

yes. definitely. not entirely, but for sure to some small degree.

Re:Amazon delivery drivers complain about bad work conditions by PeachPlum on Monday December 11, 2017 @04:25AM (#15895975)
One suggestion is to include the actual price of delivery instead of "free delivery" (or discounted) into the displayed price.

Swift delivery is changing our expectations. If I knew it would take a week to come I would plan ahead, instead I can buy on impulse. Of course the real costs are being externalised, on the poor drivers but also on congested roads and pollution.

One of the consequences: https://www.londonair.org.uk/london/asp/annualmaps.asp

Re:Amazon delivery drivers complain about bad work conditions by TheCoelacanth on Monday December 11, 2017 @11:00AM (#15897839)
The cutoff in my opinion is that if you know or reasonably should know about the behavior of the contractor then you are responsible. If Amazon is not aware of this behavior, then it is clearly willful ignorance.
Re:Amazon delivery drivers complain about bad work conditions by notatoad on Monday December 11, 2017 @10:08AM (#15897403)
yes, of course. you're responsible on a smaller scale than amazon is, but ultimately you are responsible for the behaviour of the companies you patronize. and the behaviour of their contractors.

and that's not limited to whether you know about their poor behaviour or not. If you see something that's too good to be true, like "free same-day delivery", it's up to you to question whether that's really something you want to support.