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Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by pmorici on Saturday December 09, 2017 @01:39PM (#15887249)
"Use a different cryptocurrency."

I started using Bitcoin Cash instead and I'm loving it. All the good parts about Bitcoin Core w/o the brain dead approach to scaling.

Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by moduspol on Saturday December 09, 2017 @01:50PM (#15887312)
Yep. I expect the fee market alone will drive normal people toward Bitcoin Cash.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by grubles on Saturday December 09, 2017 @01:54PM (#15887332)
Dogecoin has much cheaper fees than Bcash and its block confirmation target is around 1 minute -- roughly an order of magnitude cheaper and faster than Bcash.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by lawn on Saturday December 09, 2017 @03:35PM (#15887956)
A note to readers: "Bcash" is a derogary term used by Core supporters to undermine and discredit Bitcoin Cash. Always be mindful when someone uses it.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by etr-strike on Saturday December 09, 2017 @05:32PM (#15888548)
“Bitcoin cash” is a name chosen to confuse newcomers and attempt to steal the bitcoin brand. The CEO of bcash refers to Bitcoin as “SegwitCoin” and their official /r/btc subreddit regularly claims to be the real bitcoin.

Bcash is an appropriate name for the altcoin to eliminate confusion.

Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by lawn on Saturday December 09, 2017 @05:40PM (#15888592)
This is the kind of propaganda Core is pushing.

Note that there is no CEO and the very same people who refer to Bitcoin Cash as Bcash refer to Ethereum Classic, Bitcoin Gold and others by their proper name...

Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by etr-strike on Saturday December 09, 2017 @05:42PM (#15888608)
Of course there’s a CEO. Here’s an official statement from him: https://falkvinge.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/letter-from...
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by pmorici on Saturday December 09, 2017 @01:57PM (#15887353)
Doge has unlimited inflation it is nothing like Bitcoin Cash.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by xorcist on Saturday December 09, 2017 @02:28PM (#15887558)
That doesn't matter if you only use it for transactions. Step in, transact, step out.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by TheCoelacanth on Saturday December 09, 2017 @03:09PM (#15887806)
Who is going to pay you for your Dogecoin if no one wants to hold them?
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by xorcist on Saturday December 09, 2017 @03:11PM (#15887821)
This is indeed the folly of only valuating a coin for its transactional properties.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by ethftw on Saturday December 09, 2017 @10:23PM (#15889682)
Who's going to work for USD if no one wants to hold them?
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by TheCoelacanth on Sunday December 10, 2017 @01:32PM (#15892718)
No one, but that's an irrelevant hypothetical because people do want to hold them and that's unlikely to change. Even if people in the US did want to get paid in a different currency, they would still need some USD to pay their tax bill.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by t3soro on Sunday December 10, 2017 @07:31PM (#15894365)
United States persons with tax or debt obligations, obviously.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by grubles on Saturday December 09, 2017 @02:06PM (#15887404)
Bcash is already over-inflated relative to Bitcoin due to its mining algorithm. When the block reward diminishes enough, and fees don't supplant it, Bcash will hard fork to infinite inflation.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by Beejeepa on Saturday December 09, 2017 @02:22PM (#15887530)
It's 0.001% over-inflated? So it reaches the 2020 halving earlier, and wins then too.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by grubles on Saturday December 09, 2017 @02:27PM (#15887554)
In the ~4 months since its creation, 115,975 Bcash tokens were mined ahead of schedule.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by pmorici on Saturday December 09, 2017 @08:29PM (#15889250)
It is about 60 days ahead at most and it doesn't matter because the hard cap of 21 million coins is till the same. This has gotta be the dumbest argument I've ever heard.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by grubles on Saturday December 09, 2017 @09:56PM (#15889587)
The hard cap is the same until it isn't -- when Bcash has to hard fork to infinite inflation in order to incentivize mining because fees won't supplant the mining reward.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by pmorici on Saturday December 09, 2017 @11:29PM (#15889919)
Not gonna happen.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by grubles on Monday December 11, 2017 @10:39AM (#15897667)
Explain to me what will incentivize mining on Bcash when the fees are too low compared to Bitcoin? The mining subsidy, by design, is eventually supplanted by transaction fees.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by dane-pgp on Saturday December 09, 2017 @06:13PM (#15888739)
For those interested in this "inflation", there is a good chart here:

https://fork.lol/blocks/height

As it says, "Block height. BCH is currently ahead by 9272 blocks." with the block height of both being about 500k.

In fact, with the rate that BTC gains hashing power, and its comparatively less responsive difficulty adjustment algorithm, it is expected to overtake BCH's block height in the next couple of years.

Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by mitchellberry on Saturday December 09, 2017 @01:52PM (#15887323)
If i gave you a search algorithm with a big db then asked if it could done quicker would you prefer to spin up more cpu's or try to improve the algorithm?
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by pmorici on Saturday December 09, 2017 @02:00PM (#15887367)
I would spin up more CPUs. Because changing code in the near term is expensive and hard. Spinning up more CPUs is cheap and easy and ensures my company remains successful while I optimize the algorithm.

Using your analogy Bitcoin Core is saying they are going to shut down Bitcoin service to all new users until they implement a new algorithm that hasn't been proven yet and is still years away from being ready.

Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by mattxxx on Saturday December 09, 2017 @06:05PM (#15888715)
^ Exactly. The answer should almost always be spin up more cpu's.
Re:Did Bitcoin just prove it can't scale? by QML on Saturday December 09, 2017 @03:31PM (#15887933)
Depends on the search algorithm; if it can be parallelized, then modify the algorithm to take advantages of multiple CPUs. If not, then start throwing more threads at it.

In Bitcoin’s case, I don’t think we have a lack of CPUs though.