Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by oillio on Friday December 08, 2017 @06:30PM
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Hybrids lose so many benefits of a pure EV vehicle.
EV drivetrains are much simpler. No complicated transmission or ICE. Easier to produce, scale, and maintain.
Hybrids require all the complexity of both systems, and the weight.
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Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by WalterBright on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:45PM
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I've never quite understood this. Why not have the gas engine simply drive a generator which charges the batteries / drives the electric motors, like a diesel-electric locomotive? Then there's no dual drivetrain issue.
Even for an all-electric car, it'd be nice to have a small gas engine to drive a generator to charge the batteries if you're too far from a socket.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by CapitalistCartr on Friday December 08, 2017 @09:43PM
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I work at a train museum. Locomotives are fundamentally different. They have to have electric traction motors to grab the rails. Weight is unimportant. 125 tons. That's a quarter million pounds, 113,400 kg. Automobiles need every weight-saving trick the engineers can pull off. Such as combination drives.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by mveety on Saturday December 09, 2017 @01:58AM
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Also trains don't change speed super often so they can have their prime mover running in the power band all of the time. A car changes speed at lot so its more inefficient to have the prime mover running in its power band constantly to drive the generator.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by geor3 on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:28PM
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This is one of the functions of the Chevy Volt - "...its internal combustion engine powers an electric generator to extend the vehicle's range as needed. When the engine is running it may be periodically mechanically linked (by a clutch) to a planetary gear set, and hence the output drive axle, to improve energy efficiency." -- from wikipedia page on the Volt
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by bproven on Friday December 08, 2017 @08:15PM
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Yeah, I'd love to know why this hasn't been an option. Seems like the best of both worlds
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by ProfessorLayton on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:40PM
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It is worth pointing out that the Toyota Prius, despite being a hybrid, is regularly featured as one of the most reliable cars out there, including regular ICE cars.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by Avshalom on Friday December 08, 2017 @06:53PM
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Meh? I mean I've owned many cars over the last 15 years or so and it's never been the ice/transmission/drivetrain that's failed.
Meanwhile every car I've ever had has suffered from window motor failure.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by thinkling on Friday December 08, 2017 @06:48PM
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FWIW, extra complexity and complicated transmissions can be largely avoid with the "range extended EV" approach, where the gas engine is a generator producing electricity and doesn't drive the wheels directly.
That said, the best vehicle in that style that I can think of, the Chevy Volt, does actually allow the engine to drive the wheels and has two planetary gear/clutch systems. On the plus side, the gas engine is expected to need much less maintenance than a regular engine that's used in a much wider power range.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by greglindahl on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:59PM
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You want the BMW i3 with range extender, the gasoline engine only attaches to a generator.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by foolfoolz on Friday December 08, 2017 @06:39PM
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benefits to who? the best thing for the car buyer is a standard ICE car - every mechanic out there can fix it. the worst thing out there for the consumer is an electric car that can only be fixed by the dealer
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by greglindahl on Friday December 08, 2017 @08:42PM
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That's a great argument against every new technology in a car. For example, only a subset of body shops can do aluminum.
Re:The Latest Bull Case for Electric Cars: The Cheapest Batt...
by martin_bech on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:11PM
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How are you going to get gas, when the rest of us are driving EVs?