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Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by dawnerd on Friday December 08, 2017 @12:31PM (#15880317)
Same problems as you, but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently.

But holy hell do they need to work on their external monitor support. Yesterday I had one of my monitors randomly go black for a second. I’ve had audio over usbc just not show up anymore and it refusing to see my gigabit ethernet when waking up unless I unplug the actual ethernet cable. Simply amazing this passed their QA - and Id find it hard to believe no one at Apple uses clamshell mode with two monitors.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by DoodleBuggy on Friday December 08, 2017 @01:03PM (#15880546)
> but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently.

Strongly disagree, and I can not conceive of how it could be viewed as "better" than hardware keys. Maybe if they moved it above the FN row and we regained the hardware escape key, while making it a build to order option. Even then, I personally would have no interest in it, and neither would anyone else I know. I do not want to look at my hands while I type, ever.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by brazzledazzle on Friday December 08, 2017 @01:38PM (#15880791)
I don't know how far out it would be but with the changes to their keyboard and the addition of their touchbar I wonder if their long term plan is a touch screen in the bottom half to replace the keyboard and pad. Without some kind of tactile interface I hope I'm wrong about my suspicions.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by DigitalJack on Friday December 08, 2017 @01:43PM (#15880835)
dear God I hope not.

I wouldn't mind if they made the touch pad into a screen. Probably not that useful, but it wouldn't bother me.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by kogepathic on Friday December 08, 2017 @03:21PM (#15881701)
> I wouldn't mind if they made the touch pad into a screen.

You mean like making the laptop LCD a touchscreen?

Like other PC manufacturers have been doing for years?

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by zeveb on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:18PM (#15882130)
Ah, but you see when Apple release the iTouch it'll be a whole new paradigm of human-computer interaction! Never before have people been able to control their computers by touching the screens!

… or that's what the fanboys will think.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by eridius on Friday December 08, 2017 @03:35PM (#15881803)
> Strongly disagree, and I can not conceive of how it could be viewed as "better" than hardware keys.

I hope this is hyperbole, because it shouldn't be hard to understand. The TouchBar is absolutely an improvement. I can't remember the last time I actually used a laptop keyboard's F-keys for anything, but the TouchBar makes that space useful.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by vthriller on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:39PM (#15882287)
> I can't remember the last time I actually used a laptop keyboard's F-keys for anything

Not even F5 in a web browser?

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by eridius on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:47PM (#15882341)
That's Windows. F5 doesn't do anything in Mac browsers.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by Grimm665 on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:59PM (#15882428)
What? Fn+F5 works fine in chrome.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by eridius on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:22PM (#15883335)
Funny, I actually tested Chrome before commenting just to make sure it wasn't doing something weird, and F5 definitely doesn't reload Chrome on my computer.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by dawnerd on Friday December 08, 2017 @05:38PM (#15882717)
so does cmd + r which is easier to hit I suppose
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by DoodleBuggy on Monday December 11, 2017 @05:48PM (#15901407)
You never use the ESCAPE key? Apple roped that into the fn keys and removed it
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by eridius on Monday December 11, 2017 @06:00PM (#15901524)
My touch bar computer still has an Esc key. It's part of the touchscreen now instead of a physical button, but it still works the same way and I've never had any problem hitting it without looking.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by zeveb on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:17PM (#15882120)
> I can't remember the last time I actually used a laptop keyboard's F-keys for anything

I use them regularly to switch consoles. MacOS supports multiple consoles, right?

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by eridius on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:39PM (#15882284)
By consoles do you mean terminals? Terminal.app uses ⌘⌥1–9 to switch windows and ⌘1–9 to switch tabs. The F-keys aren't used by Terminal.app at all (well, they're sent to the terminal as an escape sequence).
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by zeveb on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:58PM (#15882425)
No, I mean complete GUI heads: completely separate GUI login sessions which use the same screen and can be switched between. Also called 'virtual framebuffers,' I think.

Very awesome. I'm sure that Macs support something similar.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by eridius on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:23PM (#15883344)
macOS has something called Fast User Switching, which is completely separate login sessions, but you access it through a menu on the right side of the menubar, not with keys.

macOS also has Spaces, which is just virtual desktops, but again, it doesn't use the F-keys to switch between them.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by quesera on Friday December 08, 2017 @11:01PM (#15884215)
I'm strongly reading GP comments as trolling, given indirect context, but I respect your approach of taking the high road by assuming simple ignorance.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by zeveb on Monday December 11, 2017 @10:51AM (#15897764)
I really wasn't trolling. I've not used macOS for almost twenty years now, so I genuinely didn't know if it supported multiple graphics consoles. I'm not surprised that it does, but I wouldn't have been terribly surprised if it didn't, either.

My (un-trolling) point still stands, though: I use the Function keys on a daily basis, to switch between consoles.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by ghostly_s on Friday December 08, 2017 @02:23PM (#15881207)
We have many staff with MBP + dual external displays and it's always been the least reliable aspect of the platform. From reading between the lines in the unusually arcane history of support docs on the topic, I've surmised their stance can be summed up as "it might work!" Which of course runs counter to the Apple It Just Works ideal, so they can never come out and admit as such. They've gone to great lengths to squeeze impressive performance out of their stingy graphics hardware choices at the OS level, but there's not much you can do to massage the numbers when adding up pixels, I guess.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by wlesieutre on Friday December 08, 2017 @02:43PM (#15881381)
For what it's worth (anecdote incoming) I use a touchbar MBP with a Dell UP2414Q, which is driven using multi-stream transport. Effectively its panel is presented to the system as two separate displayport streams running daisy-chained over a single port. Once I found the right cable, everything worked fine. (The first cable was advertised with DP1.2 and MST support, but it would only operate in the legacy mode that dropped down to 30 Hz).

God forbid you try to use this with Windows though. Sometimes half of the screen cuts out, sometimes one side of it shifts by a couple hundred pixels (and wraps the right edge of the image around to a stripe down the middle of the screen), and god knows what other problems that I can't even remember. This was with a GTX 900 series GPU which is definitely "supported."

I used to have it hooked up to my Windows desktop since that's the fast computer with more storage and RAM, so it should be great for stuff like Lightroom. But since the screen doesn't work reliably, I moved that back to my MBP.

A friend with the same screen had identical issues on Windows and a similar solution. It's now on his wife's desk for her to plug her Macbook into.

Display signaling has gotten a lot more complicated than DVI/VGA were, and the reliability problems that have cropped up from that are present across the industry.

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by nerpderp83 on Friday December 08, 2017 @02:56PM (#15881480)
Do you have a link for this cable? I am always interested in foisting esoteric firmware and poorly implemented protocol bugs upon myself.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by wlesieutre on Friday December 08, 2017 @05:06PM (#15882495)
They're USB-C to DisplayPort cables, so these will mainly be useful to people with the 2016-2017 MBP.

MST worked: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01N11K30W/

MST did not work: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XFG1YKT/

I can't say for sure if it's the cable's fault or if it's the particular combination of cable/computer/screen that has some obscure compatibility problem. Makes me miss the days when a cable was a cable and we could tell people "Just buy any HDMI cable, no need to spend $60 on it."

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by valuearb on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:41PM (#15883417)
I use my MBP with 4 different external monitors (all different types, Apple, Samsung, Acer and Dell), two at a time, and it almost always works. Once in a blue moon something glitchy happens, not sure if that's reasonable performance or extraordinary performance given I haven't seen any other platform do as well.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by arprocter on Friday December 08, 2017 @12:40PM (#15880382)
My iMac seems to get a 169 IP on wake-up about once a week

No problems with my Debian or Win 7 boxes which are presumably on the same switch

Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by chungy on Friday December 08, 2017 @03:37PM (#15881828)
That's a link-local IPv4 address, typically means that it hasn't got a lease from your DHCP server.
Re:macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my who... by arprocter on Monday December 11, 2017 @03:40PM (#15900229)
Normally messing with the cable gets it to pick up a proper address.

Strange that other two machines aren't effected if the DHCP server is to blame