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Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by Nursie on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:53AM (#15879516)
>> Early adopters took a big risk on a fledgling technology

I can't agree with that. Early adopters really didn't take a lot of risk, they ran a mining program for a while, or bought some BTC for a few cents to a few dollars.

Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by clarkmoody on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:59AM (#15879561)
In some countries, Bitcoin has been outlawed. Owning stuff the government doesn't like is certainly a risk.

They also endured 90% drops in value from early peaks to troughs. Bitcoin could have gone to zero at any point if the system had failed. (It still could)

Some invested time learning about new technology that could've gone nowhere.

Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by Nursie on Friday December 08, 2017 @11:04AM (#15879599)
>> In some countries, Bitcoin has been outlawed.

Very few. In more/most it's just taxable.

>> They also endured 90% drops in value from early peaks to troughs. Bitcoin could have gone to zero at any point if the system had failed. (It still could)

OK, sure, but again not a massive risk if your initial stake was tiny.

And it was a stake rather than an investment - it's not really an investment as you're not investing in a productive endeavour. More like buying and holding an asset.

Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by qsucvatz on Friday December 08, 2017 @12:26PM (#15880276)
In the end, either one does or does not own the property. They choose when to buy and when to sell.

From your perspective, isn't it a massive risk not to sell at this all time high value?

If they hold or sell, do they deserve whatever outcome?

Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by Nursie on Friday December 08, 2017 @01:17PM (#15880643)
> From your perspective, isn't it a massive risk not to sell at this all time high value?

Not really, if you didn't tie up significant proportions of your net worth in the initial buy.

> If they hold or sell, do they deserve whatever outcome?

Deserve is a worryingly moral word to apply there.

My only dispute is that early adopters took a lot of risk. It's not like they sunk their life savings into opening a small business.

Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by googletazer on Friday December 08, 2017 @11:40AM (#15879933)
They could have been doing something else with their time. Instead they were mining, promoting, and trading this technology. By definition there is an opportunity cost to being an early adopter instead of going with the flow - so indeed they took a risk.
Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by pessimizer on Friday December 08, 2017 @02:03PM (#15881015)
The question was whether it was a "big" risk. Every action, including the decision not to take a particular action, is a non-zero risk.
Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by UncleMeat on Friday December 08, 2017 @03:29PM (#15881764)
Does that opportunity cost justify owning a meaningful percentage of all of the coins that will ever exist?
Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by googletazer on Friday December 08, 2017 @05:11PM (#15882536)
What does "justify" mean here? Are you somehow saying its not fair that early adopters have a lot of coins?
Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by scotty79 on Saturday December 09, 2017 @06:51AM (#15885416)
If at some point bitcoin will suck significant portion of saving of whole world then they will own huge share of all of that which seems a bit unfair.
Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by ric2b on Wednesday December 13, 2017 @01:07PM (#15916064)
So buy it from them. It's a completely voluntary system that requires no permission to participate, has been from the start.

I assume 'fair' to you would mean taking it from them to re-distribute between everyone else?

Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by scotty79 on Saturday December 16, 2017 @12:29AM (#15937906)
> So buy it from them.

You can't do that if they don't sell and they won't sell untill bitcoin stores large portion of world's wealth.

> I assume 'fair' to you would mean taking it from them to re-distribute between everyone else?

I have no idea why would you assume that. Especially if you could achieve same thing just by destroying their bitcoin. No need to re-distribute. Share is the thing that matters not the amount.

On more serious note fair for me is more or less how actual brick and mortar econony distributes things. You make things other find useful, you get share of humanity's wealth in return.

Holding things, bitcoin, gold, real estate, copyright strays for me from 'fair'. I see it as the less fair, the less you contibuted to humanity to acquire those things and the more claim on share of humanity's wealth you have by holding them.

Re:The Bitcoin Whales: 1,000 People Who Own 40 Percent of th... by ric2b on Tuesday December 19, 2017 @07:43AM (#15959756)
> You can't do that if they don't sell and they won't sell until bitcoin stores large portion of world's wealth.

They do sell though, billions of dollars worth, everyday on several exchanges.

> Especially if you could achieve same thing just by destroying their bitcoin.

So now we're responding with force to a completely voluntary system? Great. And by the way, that is still redistribution, all other assets would go up in value in response.

> On more serious note fair for me is more or less how actual brick and mortar econony distributes things. You make things other find useful, you get share of humanity's wealth in return.

> Holding things, bitcoin, gold, real estate, copyright strays for me from 'fair'. I see it as the less fair, the less you contibuted to humanity to acquire those things and the more claim on share of humanity's wealth you have by holding them.

I agree on copyright, because it's a far different beast with tons of problems, but the others are essentially stores of value that you can get in a voluntary exchange by doing things others find useful.

There is inherited wealth, yes, but I've never found a way that works that solves that birth inequality.