Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cameras. He fought and won

Re:Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cam... by rayiner on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:08AM (#15879107)

You can’t change the underlying economics of a market by changing your billing model. All the billing model does is change the risk allocation between the parties. Court cases take a long time because each judge handles hundreds of cases (and civil cases take a back seat to criminal cases). Briefing on a motion, for example, might be done over a few weeks. Then the parties just sit and wait possibly for months for a decision. Trial calanders are booked years in advance.

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Re:Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cam... by bob_theslob646 on Friday December 08, 2017 @01:28PM (#15880720)

Maybe not in the legal field, but the counter example is online advertising (ppc).

The better question is why are there not more judges?

Everything is also bound by time.Unfortunately in the legal system there is just no incentive to go fast.

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Re:Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cam... by rayiner on Friday December 08, 2017 @02:16PM (#15881132)

Ad agencies generally use a variety of fee structures: https://yourbusiness.azcentral.com/advertising-agency-fee-st.... If you step back one level of abstraction, I'm not sure pay-per-click nets advertises more ad revenue than other billing models would, it's just an easy way to calculate things. And in the legal field, fixed fee or hybrid fee structures are very common. In practice, those options aren't cheaper than just negotiating for a discount on hourly rates; they just allocate the risks over/under-estimation differently.

Also, plaintiffs have huge incentives to move cases along quickly, because very often some or all of their compensation is tied to the outcome. But cases with contingency lawyers who aren't getting paid until the client gets paid don't move any more quickly than other kinds of cases.

As for why there are not more judges: what do you think of this proposal to create a whole bunch of new judgeships? https://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/calabre....

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Re:Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cam... by bob_theslob646 on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:43PM (#15883423)

I checked out the link you shared. That was an extremely in-depth read. I will have to get back to you on the judgeships, because I do not really comprehend it that well after my first read.

I wanted to ask you about this and why it is not more known to the common person >In addition to the problem of unpublished opinions sketched above, another scandal plagues the administration of justice litigants in America face today – the problem of administrative law judges (ALJs).

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Re:Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cam... by aeorgnoieang on Friday December 08, 2017 @04:42PM (#15882306)

I'm willing to bet that judges, and the other people that work with them, and the places in which they work, are all really really fucking expensive. I'd imagine that's hard to sell to voters.

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Re:Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cam... by dredmorbius on Friday December 08, 2017 @12:33PM (#15880335)

How long has this been the case? Was it ever thus?

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Re:Oregon punished an engineer for criticizing red-light cam... by Sargos on Friday December 08, 2017 @01:40PM (#15880812)

Why don't we just hire more judges?

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