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Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by throwawayjava on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:33PM (#15873227)
IDK.

My logical brain says "it's not 1950 anymore; the PR blow-black has the potential to be truly brutal."

My emotional brain says "This is horridly objectifying and super awkward."

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jasode on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:54PM (#15873448)
>"it's not 1950 anymore; the PR blow-black has the potential to be truly brutal."

For that particular party, there definitely wasn't blowback because the next morning, everybody talked about how amazing it was. I think it caught everyone off guard because it was unexpected and it gave attendees happy memories. (Yes, maybe the attendees should have been morally outraged but I can only report how they actually responded and at that time, they thought it was a huge hit.)

It's been 17 years so maybe that company doesn't hire party models anymore.

>"This is horridly objectifying and super awkward."

That's a valid opinion but just to paint the picture better, the women were not dressed up as "Playboy bunnies". They were wearing regular shorts and a themed tshirt showing no cleavage. The interactions with the models would be similar to a kid interacting with Mickey Mouse at Disney. Also, there probably were male models on roller skates as well but I don't remember them for obvious reasons.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by soufron on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:56PM (#15874114)
Probably, but SV engineers are not kids, and these women are not entertaining children in mickey costumes.

Seeing so many people defending this practice is really worrisome with regards to the lack of morals in SV.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by throwawayjava on Thursday December 07, 2017 @09:52PM (#15876323)
>>"it's not 1950 anymore; the PR blow-black has the potential to be truly brutal."

> For that particular party, there definitely wasn't blowback

PR is bigger than just internal opinion. Witness: this article.

> The interactions with the models would be similar to a kid interacting with Mickey Mouse at Disney

Oy

> the women were not dressed up as "Playboy bunnies". They were wearing regular shorts and a themed tshirt showing no cleavage... Also, there probably were male models on roller skates as well but I don't remember them for obvious reasons.

At least we all eventually agree that the obvious is obvious.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jasode on Friday December 08, 2017 @05:02AM (#15877739)
>PR is bigger than just internal opinion. Witness: this article.

This particular article has an extra angle about models pretending to be friends of employees at a company party. I wasn't endorsing that.

I was relating a somewhat related story about models at a software conference. However, they were not pretending to be in relationships with anybody. They were there to be hosts with bubbly personalities and to schmooze the crowd.

>Oy

I was not exaggerating. The conference models were not there to show skin; they were there to socialize. The conversations (regardless of it being artificial and scripted from the models) are not of a sexual nature. It's lightweight platonic chatting designed to loosen up the crowd.

Here are some videos showing the Disney character Garcon at the park. Not every Disney actor's face is hidden behind a mask:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=disney+gaston

Clicking on some of those videos should give an idea of how the models interact with guests. The men that Disney hires for that work are all beautiful male specimens. (Women would typically categorize them as "hunks" or "beefcakes".) However, the purpose is not for girls/daughters/mothers/women to grab their crotch or act out Magic Mike[1] fantasies. The Garcon actor is there to be funny and provide smiles.

The Garcon models are not allowed to exchange phone numbers with the park guests. There is no "let's meet up at Cinderella's castle" secret rendezvous after they show off their one arm pushups. So, if the women at the park don't get to engage with sexual foreplay at the park with Garcon, why does Disney only hire attractive men? Oy indeed.

The models at the software conference did similar work to the Garcon actors at Disney theme parks.

The reason you don't see public-relations blowback about the beautiful models at Disney is the same reason you don't see it about models at industry conferences.

On the other hand, the Bloomberg article about "models pretending to be friends of employees" is a whole different level of weirdness.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Mike

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by twobyfour on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:54PM (#15874090)
Everyone?

I take it there were no women on your team?

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by goldenkey on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:27PM (#15874963)
Sounds amazing. Wish my company treated us to this kind of delight!
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by Helmet on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:58PM (#15873483)
My logical brain goes:

I bet these women are getting paid a pretty penny to go to some stupid party and mingle with the patrons. Probably get drinks and food on the house too. Lucky bastards!

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by Mountain_Skies on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:27PM (#15873783)
There seems to be a fine line between slut shaming women for not conforming to some moral majority code of behavior and actual concern about objectification. Some seem to straddle the line trying to do both while claiming to only be standing on the good side.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by subway on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:15PM (#15873651)
Say what now? Why would you think they're being paid a pretty penny? Odds are they're doing it to scrape by, and would much prefer having the evening to spend with their friends and family rather than having to put on a charade.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by Helmet on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:17PM (#15873672)
No one is forcing them to do it. Anyone would much prefer to have an evening with their friends or family. But if they need the money, then it's a job. And it's probably a better job than most jobs.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by lotsofcows on Thursday December 14, 2017 @07:26AM (#15921729)
Ahhh, the American Dream! "No one is forcing them to do it."

There's a plethora of well paid jobs out there that they could be doing instead but, for reasons unknown, they prefer to be under-dressed roller skating companions.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by notyourday on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:01PM (#15874168)
Well, on a low end they are making about $25/hour after agency fees.

On a high end they are walking away with a few thousand dollars.

On a really high end they just made your yearly salary in a day - there was if I recall correctly a bank in Russia that flew a dozen of currently reasonably well known models for its New Year's party.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by User23 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:46PM (#15873348)
Why should these women be denied the opportunity to do this job, supposing they want to do it?
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jerf on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:51PM (#15873406)
That's not the problem anyone is having with this.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by ImSkeptical on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:32PM (#15874493)
It seems like you're suggesting women should be free to do this, but men should be shamed for asking women to do it - which seems like a weird position to hold.

I can imagine some harm comes from this - e.g. an employee is mistaken for a model, or perhaps an employee is never mistaken for a model, but the magnitude of the harm doesn't seem so severe, and seems comparable to the benefit - the party is more fun.

I know why people have an intuitive dislike for this, it calls to mind paying for sex, sounds pathetic, and feels possibly misogynistic, but logically, I can't defend any of those positions myself.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jerf on Friday December 08, 2017 @08:09AM (#15878397)
I am suggesting that that is not the problem anyone is having with this. Nothing more, nothing less. The rest of your inferences are entirely wrong, if indeed you even replied to the correct comment. Nobody is complaining about the fact that if the job is offered, there are women who will take it, or implying that those women (or men) are in the wrong. That is simply not the problem people have with this.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by ImSkeptical on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:34AM (#15879349)
Instead of speaking vaguely, and pretending you speak on behalf of everyone, why don't you clearly state what problem you are having with this?
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jerf on Monday December 11, 2017 @10:03AM (#15897369)
I am not stating I have a problem with this. I am stating that is not the problem everyone else is having with this.

This doesn't seem that complicated to me. I am not sure how I could possibly make what I am saying any clearer.

As a possible diagnosis of the problem you are having, if you believe my first sentence says or is equivalent to "I don't have a problem with this", you have a fairly common reading comprehension problem where you read what you expect to have read, rather than what was actually said, and the problem you are having with what I wrote is your difficulty in fitting such a short point into your framework of what you expect to have read. I suggest spending some more time learning how to read what is there, rather than what you think is there, as you are missing out on one of the primary benefits of reading. That's not the only possible problem you've having with understanding such short, simple sentences, but it is likely enough to be worth calling out.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by heartbreak on Thursday December 07, 2017 @11:28PM (#15876686)
Nope. S/He’s saying women are free to work as models at a party, but employers shouldn’t hire women to be models at company events.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by ImSkeptical on Friday December 08, 2017 @01:10AM (#15877005)
So it's only fine if a private individual hires models for their party?
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by heartbreak on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:49AM (#15878312)
That’s not what I said.
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Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by heartbreak on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:54AM (#15879521)
The set of all party throwers is not composed of private individuals plus employers. But now you’ve changed it to private parties, which would seem to include parties thrown by privately held companies. Maybe you should start by getting your terminology straight.

My point is that employees should not be subjected to employers hiring models to attend company events.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by teirce on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:13PM (#15873633)
Then what is?
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by jerf on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:16PM (#15873654)
This may help you understand what people are saying about this and why they're upset: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15872605
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by AdeptusAquinas on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:38PM (#15873271)
Both ways too. When I see this sort of thing at a conference party or vendor thing, I think 'what do the organisers think we are, just rabid animals?' Its demeaning for all concerned
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by notyourday on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:06PM (#15874240)
Oh you mean booth bunnies? It works all every time it is tried if a booth bunny knows what she is doing. That's why it keeps happening.

When my wife shows up as a part of the sales team the company always sells out of the product that they bring.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by firstplacelast on Thursday December 07, 2017 @02:59PM (#15873506)
It’s kind of sexist too. I would like pretty male models to look at please.
Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by teirce on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:14PM (#15873643)
From the article:

> At this year’s holiday parties, however, there’ll be a surprising influx of attractive women, and a few pretty men, mingling with the engineers. They’re being paid to.

Re:Silicon Valley Is Sneaking Models into This Year’s Holida... by Bob2019 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:14PM (#15873640)
There are good biological reasons why there isn't a popular Playgirl magazine. That is similar.