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Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by zorked on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:20AM (#15868707)
"Volkswagen Emissions Scandal Could Cause 1,200 More Premature Deaths" (from vehicles in Germany alone!)

Seven years is a very light sentence for this. I would guess that sort of damage makes him easily a top 1% criminal. Of the entire world.

[1] https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/volkswagen-deaths_us_58...

Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by credit_guy on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:18AM (#15869136)
“could cause N deaths” is very different from “have caused N deaths beyond any reasonable doubt”.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by wellboy on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:28AM (#15869190)
Could cause 1200 deaths is definitely will cause 10 deaths and probably will definitely cause 300 deaths.

Probably you mean, has caused x deaths directly instead of has caused x deaths indirectly?

Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by credit_guy on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:56AM (#15869310)
No. To be considered a criminal, you need to be found guilty of a crime, and for that the prosecutors need to prove beyond all reasonable doubt that you committed the act.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by wellboy on Saturday December 09, 2017 @08:42AM (#15885747)
Good point. Furthermore, those deaths would have probably been caused anyway, since diesel technology doesn't suddenly make 2x less emissions. Maybe fewer diesels would have been sold, so there would have been 800 deaths instead of 1200 deaths, because the drivers would have bought one running on gas, but yeah, the law isn't designed for these number games.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by andrepd on Thursday December 07, 2017 @07:08AM (#15869364)
It is proven that he was complicit in faking emissions tests, and it is proven that those extra emissions will lead to the premature deaths 100s of people.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by koenigdavidmj on Thursday December 07, 2017 @07:58AM (#15869588)
That’s quite simply not how the law works. To convict someone of murder, you need a direct causal link between VW’s actions (as opposed to another car company’s actions) and a particular person dying. Statistics games don’t cut it.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by andrepd on Friday December 08, 2017 @11:48PM (#15884351)
Thank you for the lesson, but I never said the man should be guilty of murder. I'm merely stating that since his actions lead to the death or injury of hundreds or thousands of people he should be duly penalised to dissuade future would-be law breakers.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by yellow_postit on Thursday December 07, 2017 @09:15AM (#15870085)
In a case like this maybe statistics do need to play a larger role.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by koenigdavidmj on Thursday December 07, 2017 @10:01AM (#15870506)
We call that an ex post facto law.
Re:Volkswagen Official Gets 7-Year Term in Diesel-Emissions ... by TheAdamAndChe on Thursday December 07, 2017 @12:09PM (#15871767)
Right. It needs to be proved beyond all _reasonable_ doubt, not beyond _all_ doubt. It's reasonable to believe that this person committed a crime.