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Re:Steam is no longer supporting Bitcoin by zodiac on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:48PM (#15866603)
I think it is worth pointing out that it is not exactly equivalent, in the sense that if you pay Steam via a payment channel (for simplicity, a one-directional payment channel, so they don't need to lock up any cryptocurrency themselves), they don't need to settle on-chain, but if they don't do so they cannot use the "money" the received from you to pay someone else (eg their lawyer).

In the very long term, if we get to a point where most people's and organization's income is roughly equal to their expenditure, then this won't be a problem, but until then there is still pressure to settle on-chain because of this.

Re:Steam is no longer supporting Bitcoin by tlrobinson on Thursday December 07, 2017 @12:42AM (#15867888)
> if they don't do so they cannot use the "money" the received from you to pay someone else (eg their lawyer).

They certainly can if their lawyer is also on the Lightning Network.

Eventually all Bitcoin wallets should support on-chain and Lightning Network transactions, and seamlessly pick one or the other depending on the transaction amount.

Re:Steam is no longer supporting Bitcoin by zodiac on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:28AM (#15868546)
No, they really can't. They have to open a payment channel with their lawyer (or open it with someone who has a path of channels to their lawyer), and that requires them to own cryptocurrency on-chain to use as stake (what LN calls the funding transaction)
Re:Steam is no longer supporting Bitcoin by tlrobinson on Thursday December 07, 2017 @12:55PM (#15872272)
Hence “if their lawyer is also on the Lightning Network“
Re:Steam is no longer supporting Bitcoin by zodiac on Thursday December 07, 2017 @01:23PM (#15872567)
No, even if their lawyer is on the LN, Steam cannot pay their lawyer via payment channel, unless Steam owns some cryptocurrency on-chain to use as deposit