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Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by lisper on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:17PM (#15865552)
How on earth can you tell if someone is a native citizen from their name?

And what difference does it make if they're native or naturalized? One of the bedrock principles of American democracy is (or at least is supposed to be) that a citizen is a citizen. There's a reason that the phrase "second-class citizen" is supposed to have universally pejorative connotations.

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by nl on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:52PM (#15865898)
bedrock principles of American democracy

Clearances aren't democratic (nor should they be).

No idea how they can tell citizen status from the name, though. I thought the US was made up of people form all over earth with all kinds of backgrounds so one couldn't tell from their name.

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by komali2 on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:19PM (#15865567)
He's not wrong about it being more difficult for people with dual citizenship to get security clearance, though. At least in that sense you can be a "second class citizen."
Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by lisper on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:58PM (#15866301)
I'm a naturalized U.S. citizen with a dual citizenship, and I had no trouble (well, no more than the usual trouble) getting a security clearance.

But what does any of this have to do with anything anyway? The linked-to page doesn't mention the NSA, P0 team, or security clearances.

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by walshemj on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:15PM (#15866061)
Might be hard for 1st gen citizens when I started work late 10's in the UK all 4 grandparents had to be Uk Nationals.
Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by postit on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:39PM (#15866554)
First:, I used notable names instead of notable persons. If that caused a confusion or misunderstanding to the point you believe I was segregating or second classing anyone, pardon me.

Second: My intent was to reply to Kiddico's message which says "I find it interesting how many of those are attributed to project zero members" That's the relation of p0 with my reply

Third: Ben Hawkes(NZ), Tavis Ormandy(UK), Ian Beer(UK) and Matt Tate(UK) are often credited as notable members of the project zero team.

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by summer_steven on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:37PM (#15866535)
>How on earth can you tell if someone is a native citizen from their name?

Why are you playing dumb? He's clearly talking about someone with clearly foreign name, not someone from Canada.

I'm sick of people acting willfully ignorant in their arguments

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by Someone on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:51PM (#15866626)
Clearly foreign, like Bezos, Obama, or Wozniak?
Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by orionblastar on Thursday December 07, 2017 @07:38AM (#15869509)
We need immigration to have foreigners come here, make stsrtups, grow our economy, and create jobs.

The student visa should lead to a green card. Since it does not immigrants go back to their home nation and do startups there.

Not to be political, but Trump does not get that yet.

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by summer_steven on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @08:42PM (#15866899)
And those are exceptions to the norm.

Look at the census of the 100 most common American names, they're either traditional American names or Spanish names from those who immigrated here over the last 50 years. https://www.thoughtco.com/most-common-us-surnames-1422656

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by phaemon on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:43AM (#15868996)
Those top 100 names total 50 million people, out of a total US population of 250 million (at time of 1990 census).

That means that 80% of the US population has a surname other than those on that list. Assuming that 80% of the US poplulation are "foreign" because they aren't in the top 100 most common surnames, seems rather foolish.

Re:About the security content of macOS High Sierra 10.13.2 by DRW_ on Thursday December 07, 2017 @08:07AM (#15869635)
A lot of those look like traditional British names (also foreign).