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Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by flipp3r on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:41AM (#15860063)
According to Wikipedia's "Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year" America is at 10.54, compared to countries like Finland and Switzerland which are at 3.5-ish, it is very high. You can however see America's cause of the gun problem clearly, but you're not allowed to say it out loud; https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Reeves-... You could call it "culture" which the other countries do not have.
Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by lr4444lr on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:38AM (#15860617)
Does that number control for the gun-related suicides? Obviously that is not what people mean when they talk about gun violence in the US.
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Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by flipp3r on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:28AM (#15860287)
America still has about a 4x homicide rate compared to my examples Finland and Switzerland. This is not much different from the gun violence rates per country (&race) You can even pull out approximately the same graph for homicides(Actually, here you go; https://www.theatlas.com/charts/E1pEnFs7e ). Did you honestly believe a country can have triple the gun violence of every other western country, but at the same time get away with a low homicide rate?
Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by hansbo on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:25AM (#15859995)
After quick research, this seems to be incorrect. Non-gun homicides are unaffected, but total homicides increase.

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-an...

Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by toomanybeersies on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:42AM (#15860070)
I don't really want to get into the gun control debate here, since that isn't the point of the article. But if you compare the developed countries, you will find that the USA has by far the highest firearms homicide rate.

Obviously some of it is cultural, for instance, I'm from New Zealand, and I was raised with the attitude that if you own firearms, you should (almost) never use them for shooting people. They're for target shooting and hunting. Anyway, I digress.

You can find fairly easily on the internet that different countries have different firearms homicide rates per firearm[0], for instance, it stands at 0.00009361 in the USA, and 0.00003567 in New Zealand (one of the lowest, despite relatively high ownership). Which points to cultural differences, or something else.

But, if you look at the developed nations, and look at their firearms homicide rates, you will see that the USA sits at the highest, at around 3 times the rate of the next developed country.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-r...

Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by oeuviz on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:15AM (#15860227)
> I was raised with the attitude that if you own firearms, you should (almost) never use them for shooting people.

This is key info here. People in different corners of the world react differently to owning weapons. While some are taught to only use them as tools, others have them for fun. While some will only shoot them to kill pray, others will shoot at people. It already shows in the shooting ranges, in some parts of the world they are equipped with only numbers as target, others enjoy building a simulation close to an FPS game.

Let us break down, what is necessary to have a firearms homicide:

  a) ownership of / access to a gun
  b) reason to kill
    b1) malicious intent
    b2) self-defence, extended self-defence
So self-defence or extended self-defense would be the only reason for owning a gun with the intention to point it at other humans.

- What is it that makes gun owners believe that there are no other means of defending themselves or their families but killing (or at least shooting at) the aggressor?

- Is it assumed, that if the "good guy with gun" kills the aggressor, more than one other human being is saved from death?

- Is it worth having a human killed because the good guy would have "only" faced a robbery and therefore only economical loss?

- Does crime really decrease because good guys kill bad guys?

- What is the worth of a human life, regardless of criminal background of the individual?

Because the answer to the questions above is different in each culture, country and individual I do not think comparing the aproaches of different countries to decrease crime (including firearm homicides) is helpful here. Different communities have different approaches to deal with same problems and having only <200 countries available for comparison makes it very hard to do so as a lot of criteria are just not comparable enough to be of much use. This is why we keep picking the examples that confirm our theories.

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Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by crankylinuxuser on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:09AM (#15860486)
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/politics/justices-rule-pol...

When the Supreme court rules that the police do not have a constitutional requirement to protect, that resides in the last mile - us. We legally cannot count on others to do this for us. And that includes even a court issued protective order .

As for a trespasser/thief, if they have no compunction of breaking the law to break and steal, how do we know they aren't armed? So you end up with Castle Doctrine - given how prevalent guns are, it's safe to assume a bad actor who has broken in has one.

The last problem with the whole gun rights, which usually makes me not comment about it, is that the US is the only country in the world that enshrines gun rights in the founding documents. (Badly written, and SCOTUS has ruled on both sides of the main interpretations). That isn't changing until the US, well, isn't.

Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by jboynyc on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:59AM (#15860156)
A sociologist has helpfully been visualizing the data on assault deaths for a few years now; here's the latest:

https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2017/10/02/assault-dea...

The comparison always makes one thing unmistakably clear: the U.S. is an exceptionally violent country among OECD peers.

Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by hectorlorenzo on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:27AM (#15860007)
> As it stands, in the developed world more guns does not equate to more violence or more deaths.

Sources? Do you mean "more guns" or "easier access to guns"?

Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by madaxe_again on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @05:32AM (#15860029)
Got any statistics to back that up? I mean, it’s anecdotal, but how many school shootings have there been in the USA vs any non gun owning nation? Last one in the UK was Dunblane - and then they banned guns.
Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by gozur88 on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @06:03AM (#15860170)
The school shootings are irrelevant statistically. They make the news because they're upsetting, but you're more likely to be beaten to death by someone's fists than shot with a long gun in the US.

The vast majority of gun crime is done with handguns, and much of it is already illegal - i.e. felons in possession of guns or people carrying when or where they're not legally allowed to do so.

Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by madaxe_again on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:59AM (#15869067)
So where do those illegal guns come from? Santa? No. The legal gun market.
Re:Portugal’s radical drug policy is working. Why hasn’t the... by gozur88 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @08:37PM (#15876027)
Well, sure. And if there were no legal gun market, they'd come from the illegal market like they do in places like Brazil and France. What's your point?