Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by vidarh on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:27PM
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"Well run" is so wide as to be meaningless without qualifying it. Economy? Environment? Human rights? Life expectancy? Happiness? There are an endless number of metrics. China certainly would do well on some of them, and horribly on others.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by richardknop on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:24PM
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Depends on who you ask. Lots of mainlanders live in HK now. I'd assume most young HK-ers are still against China but if nothing changes slowly the HK will be assimilated and mainstream opinion will align more with mainland Chinese as time goes on.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by forapurpose on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:32PM
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> but if nothing changes slowly the HK will be assimilated and mainstream opinion will align more with mainland Chinese as time goes on
With due respect, that's a prediction without a basis, not evidence or an argument.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by richardknop on Monday December 04, 2017 @11:38PM
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It's actually my opinion. I'm not claiming it is a provable fact. It is just what I think might happen in next 50 years let's say.
HK has been independent for a long time and been given back to China quite recently so I think 100 years from now if it stays as part of China it would be much less independent.
For example, take a look at Kaliningrad which is completely Russian now. Or other parts of Europe which were assimilated when taken over by bigger nations/states.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by WillPostForFood on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @12:59AM
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Or you could look at ex-Yugoslavian states, Catalonia, Scotland. Kaliningrad is one Russian example, but you also have the ~14 countries that used to be part of the USSR and chose independence. Things can swing either way, even after prolonged periods of integration. For HK it will depend on how much of a separate "Hong Kong" identity can survive.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by abalashov on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @02:34AM
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Yes, and the former Soviet republics have all either remained in the Russian sphere of influence or have moved aggressively into the Western one. Either way, the simplicity of this “choosing independence” idea conceals a considerably more complicated and delicate reality that more closely resembles the grandparent poster’s argument. :-)
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by nailer on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @12:37AM
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This is fascinating: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad
Though in Kaliningrad's case the original inhabitants were evicted.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by richardknop on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @02:55AM
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Yes. Also see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_question
It's completely hypothetical but there are some people arguing it should be returned to Germany as it used to be German for many centuries before.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @12:15AM
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It’s very possible. Especially if the HKers move away. Funny, the doom and gloom predicted for 1997 did come eventually, just 20 years later.
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by tensitors on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @02:44AM
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How was HK independent when their leaders were directly appointed by the British government?
Re:Apple CEO backs China’s ‘open’ Internet vision as censors...
by dragonwriter on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @02:52AM
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I think, in context, the meaning was that HK was, for a long time, independent of China.
While I generally agree with your point, I don't know if I accept this premise. Would citizens in Tibet agree, for example? Hong Kong?