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Re:Is Civilization Overrated? by CptFribble on Monday December 04, 2017 @10:07PM (#15849444)
A lot of the bad parts of our current version of civilization are just un-optimized implementation details.

Isn't it our species' imperative to create as many happy and healthy humans as we can manage? Part of the problem is that we have instead optimized most of civilization for maximum dollar production.

When we can figure out how to build health and happiness (or rather: emotional well-being) into the goals of our society, we will finally get past this semi-intellectual hand-wringing about the mythical Noble Savage and his perfect life we cast aside.

Re:Is Civilization Overrated? by candiodari on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @08:00AM (#15851432)
If history has proven one thing it's that optimizing for maximum dollar production and optimizing for the maximum number of humans is the same thing.

Also as to the basic question: having visited almost-pre-civilization villages in Africa. Yes. No doubt whatsoever. Civilization is absolutely worth it.

Re:Is Civilization Overrated? by sametmax on Tuesday December 05, 2017 @11:50AM (#15852993)
How so ?
Re:Is Civilization Overrated? by Accipitriform on Thursday December 07, 2017 @01:08PM (#15872432)
Hobbes put it best:

"No arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death: and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish and short."

Re:Is Civilization Overrated? by sametmax on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:44AM (#15879442)
Not that part.

The "optimizing for maximum dollar production and optimizing for the maximum number of humans is the same thing." part.