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Re:What happens when patients find out how good their doctor... by sandworm101 on Sunday December 03, 2017 @11:35PM (#15841465)
Don't focus on the complicated ones (the old people) where things like 5-year survival rates are so muddled up in overlapping conditions and inevitable decline. I once presented at an ER at 4am as a 23yo with every symptom of appendicitis. They shaved me, but then the ultrasound tech arrived for work early. It turned out to be something else and I didn't need surgery. They admitted that 20% of diagnosed appendicitis turn out to be something else once they cut in, many still needing surgery but some no. Ten years later I related this story to another surgeon and he was downright angry at 20%. His hospital had that stat down to 10% (in men) and wanted it down to 5%. Those stats, basic conditions with standard treatments but perhaps a complicated diagnosis, are the better starting point. I'd bet good money that the hospital at 5% for appendicitis diagnosis is also doing better at the more complex stuff too.
Re:What happens when patients find out how good their doctor... by neuro_imager on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:11AM (#15841598)
In fairness, misdiagnosis of appendicitis is largely down to utilisation of technology. Most modern institutions utilise imaging (ultrasound/CT) and this results in a high specificity for appendicitis (especially CT, which doesn't suffer from the user variability that ultrasound does).

Old school surgeons will insist that they can reliably make the diagnosis without imaging (and that's probably where you get a 20% false positive from). Some institutions will push this notion too - either to reduce imaging expenditure or increase surgical turnover (sad but true).

Re:What happens when patients find out how good their doctor... by sandworm101 on Monday December 04, 2017 @10:01AM (#15844289)
>> to reduce imaging expenditure or increase surgical turnover.

That opens a pile of other issues. For reference, when I showed up at the ER it was a Canadian hospital. They called the surgeon in early, for me. I think word went out that they were spinning up an OR early and the ultrasound tech rushed in. So cost and turnover weren't really an issue. Everyone was salary, the equipment owned, and nobody standing to profit by cutting into me without need. Frankly, everyone had a good laugh at how quickly the system came together. But I did fall into that category of people who showing up on evenings weekends that, statistically, don't do as well.

Re:What happens when patients find out how good their doctor... by brohee on Monday December 04, 2017 @02:50AM (#15842274)
When is knowingly not following best practices actually malpractice? I wonder if ambulance chasers don't have an actually useful role to play in that fight...
Re:What happens when patients find out how good their doctor... by neuro_imager on Monday December 04, 2017 @09:21AM (#15843972)
The first part of your comment is a great question.

Its extremely hard to definitively define best practises. You'd be surprised how many practitioners still argue for what look like clearly outdated ways of doing things. There's also the argument that in some people's hands an outdated way of doing things is safer than a newer (better?) way of doing things in their hands. eg. A surgeon who has been practising for 30 years but only recently learned to use a laparoscope.

I doubt ambulance chasers do anything other than muddy the waters and enrich themselves at the healthcare systems expense.