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Re:Taking Children Seriously by Trombone12 on Sunday December 03, 2017 @07:40PM (#15840609)
In practice you can probably get away with explaining some fairly general rules that cover most of day to day life early on and defer detailed exception clauses for later.

Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically.

Re:Taking Children Seriously by tonteldoos on Sunday December 03, 2017 @09:05PM (#15840967)
> Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically.

And this is where so many people go wrong. Parents are teachers too, and it's their job to teach their children how to fit into society, behave, be decent people, etc.

A lot of rules, like math tables, help you learn the basic foundational building blocks. Once you have those, you have a reference to understand more things.

School is, basically, for most of the other stuff.

Re:Taking Children Seriously by erasemus on Sunday December 03, 2017 @09:15PM (#15841010)
>Explaining all the rules is what school is for, basically.

Heh. My school published a list of rules which included: 'Any breach of common sense is also a breach of school rules.'

Re:Taking Children Seriously by d0mine on Sunday December 03, 2017 @09:42PM (#15841112)
Gödel suggests If you can explain all the [sufficiently complex] rules; your system is inconsistent (contradictory rules are true).

If the rules are consistent, some things can't be explained.

Re:Taking Children Seriously by Tsagadai on Sunday December 03, 2017 @11:27PM (#15841436)
Learning that any sufficiently advanced system is usually inconsistent and breakable is one of life's most important lessons. Rules are contradictory, both in meaning and application. There is no master theorem and they are not consistently or evenly applied. The world is not fair and just.

It is one of my main conflicts with homeschooling, the point of conventional schooling is that everyone must fit a mould and conforming to a structure. The lesson of that point is finding a way to deal with that conformity, you need to know the rules of hierarchical groups in order to break them or succeed inside or outside of them.

Re:Taking Children Seriously by adrianN on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:07AM (#15841580)
First of all, Gödel talks about the provability of true statements in formal systems, not the explain-ability of laws, and second of all, in any nontrivial formal system there are things that can't be explained, namely the axioms.
Re:Taking Children Seriously by slipperymate on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:01AM (#15841559)
I was unaware that explaining social rules to kids involved arithmetic.
Re:Taking Children Seriously by aleeds on Sunday December 03, 2017 @11:20PM (#15841408)
That is so ridiculously poorly applied to the legal system. Your system of rules needs power too. Don't just spread lies.
Re:Taking Children Seriously by dang on Monday December 04, 2017 @12:42AM (#15841715)
> Don't just spread lies.

Would you mind editing out such name-calling from your comments here? The rest of your comment makes your point just fine.

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