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Re:Maintaining an Independent Browser Is Expensive by scrollaway on Sunday December 03, 2017 @06:04AM (#15837069)
> From the tone of the replies, kicked off by a guy in the analytics industry who went so far as to google me for a comment, Upton Sinclair is screaming from the grave

Good lord, get a hold of yourself. I work in the gaming industry (easy mistake to make, right?) and you seem to have read "hints" as "hits" and made up a whole scenario from that... I didn't Google you (nor would I care to), I just called out a completely bullshit comment when I saw one.

The foundation of your entire argument is loose accusations, outdated information cobbled together in a web of random words and quotes you found appropriate. You have incorrectly profiled everyone who replied to you. It is hard for anyone here to have an argument with you, or even take you seriously.

Re:Maintaining an Independent Browser Is Expensive by jstewartmobile on Sunday December 03, 2017 @06:33AM (#15837149)
You butchered my original comment to a point where I could only assume malice. As for "hints", my bad.

In 2017 they're going back to the 800lb gorilla of search and browsers for the bulk of their operating revenue, and I'm supposed to just accept that as "independence" and back off? There is a disconnect here that I'm obviously not going to bridge, so fine, they're independent! Go write their non-profit-for-profit chimera a check and "take back the web".

Re:Maintaining an Independent Browser Is Expensive by scrollaway on Sunday December 03, 2017 @09:21AM (#15837648)
The bulk of Mozilla's revenue through 2019 is most likely going to come from Verizon.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/14/mozilla-terminates-its-dea...

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-21/verizon-i...

I'm not aware of a renewal of the Google financial partnership. Feel free to correct me if you find information that goes beyond 2011. There certainly could be a new deal with Google there but Mozilla is not in the negociating position it once was, so there just as well could not; and seeing as I'm finding zero info about it, I'm leaning towards "there isn't".

But hey, I guess if they don't make a billion dollars a year through donations and take in zero outside revenue, they're not independent.

Re:Maintaining an Independent Browser Is Expensive by jstewartmobile on Sunday December 03, 2017 @01:56PM (#15838876)
Unlike Edge, Chrome, Opera, or Safari, which are obviously corporate assets, Mozilla is also part non-profit, and going by their PR, a defender of privacy and the open web.

When money from search, which whittles away at privacy to deliver the right ads, or money from Verizon, who isn't a friend of privacy or the open web, is what keeps the lights on, don't you think that is just a little misleading to Joe Internet who is thinking about donating his time or money to their cause?

Re:Maintaining an Independent Browser Is Expensive by scrollaway on Sunday December 03, 2017 @09:14PM (#15841005)
Did you read the links? It's not like Verizon wants to pay that money. I think you're confused about how incentives work...
Re:Maintaining an Independent Browser Is Expensive by jstewartmobile on Sunday December 03, 2017 @10:41PM (#15841304)
Already read the first article. Didn't read the bloomberg article about the buyout provision, so my fault. Retracting the Verizon complaint.