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Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by amluto on Saturday December 02, 2017 @04:34PM (#15834209)
This tax is still a ridiculous solution. If the problem is that university grant structures are screwed up (which they certainly are), then fix the broken grant structures. As I understand it, they're the result of a ridiculous arrangement between universities and the grant agencies, most of which are the federal government. So tell the federal government to stop issuing grants under stupid terms. Set an overhead structure, require grantees to pay their grad students, and require that all student compensation paid out of the grants go straight to the students.

Or tax the universites, not the students.

Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by chimeracoder on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:59PM (#15834731)
> This tax is still a ridiculous solution. If the problem is that university grant structures are screwed up (which they certainly are), then fix the broken grant structures.

Other way around. It's not that tuition grants are being treated specially if they're taxed. All grants and material benefits of this nature are considered taxable by the IRS. Graduate tuition happens to have been given a special exemption from being taxable, and this bill is aimed at eliminating that special exemption, treating it like all other grants and material employment benefits.

> Or tax the universites, not the students.

There are two problems with this. First, the incidence of the tax (who actually ends up paying) is completely unrelated to who the IRS collects the tax from. This is why, even though employers are required to pay half of taxes for Social Security and Medicare, employees are the ones who bear the tax burden: 95% of any increases in FICA taxes are paid for by employees (via adjustments to wages and salaries), and vice versa.

Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by jbapple on Sunday December 03, 2017 @03:43AM (#15836677)
> 95% of any increases in FICA taxes are paid for by employees (via adjustments to wages and salaries)

What evidence indicates it's 95% and not 20% or 80% or 99%?

Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by chimeracoder on Sunday December 03, 2017 @07:22PM (#15840514)
> What evidence indicates it's 95% and not 20% or 80% or 99%?

I'm not sure I understand your question. If you're asking the method by which this is done, it's a pretty straightforward econometric analysis problem - any graduate student probably does something similar in their first year.

If you're asking what the exact percentage is, I don't know. I remember it's in the range of 90% or 95%, but not the exact number. (It also varies slightly with economic cycles anyway, because the main determinant is the relative elasticities of supply and demand for labor).

Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by jbapple on Sunday December 03, 2017 @07:45PM (#15840638)
> I'm not sure I understand your question.

I'm asking for a citation.

Re:The destruction of graduate education in the United States by theptip on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:59PM (#15834730)
> As I understand it, they're the result of a ridiculous arrangement between universities and the grant agencies

Do you have any links for further reading on this point? I'm not familiar with this argument, but could well believe it.