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Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ThomPete on Saturday December 02, 2017 @11:42AM (#15832676)
"Gaps between epigenetic age and chronological age have been linked to health problems in the past, but again it's too soon to draw those kind of conclusions: the scientists readily admit they don't yet know how this will affect the kids later in life."

And this is the crux of the matter.

I don't doubt that children who are being cuddles more could have their genetics changed. Whether it actually has an effect on their prospects later in life I highly doubt.

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by dgut on Saturday December 02, 2017 @01:00PM (#15833095)
> I don't doubt that children who are being cuddles more could have their genetics changed.

Looks like actual experts in the field disagree with you. [1]

Also, deny a child affection and you have a mentally ill adult. Sadly, there is now an entire generation of parents who have been advertised things like the "cry-out" method. [2]

[1] http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/0...

[2] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/192222.Solve_Your_Child_...

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ashark on Saturday December 02, 2017 @02:28PM (#15833536)
> Sadly, there is now an entire generation of parents who have been advertised things like the "cry-out" method.

For sleep training? It’s a somewhat rough 2-7 nights when they’re in the 8-12 week age range, or way, way worse later and a ton of bad nights until then. Probably some kids don’t take to it, but that’s true of anything you try. We’re 3-for-3 on it, with the worst taking three nights. A+++++, would not accustom my kids to someone coming in and rescuing them from learning how to chain REM cycles every time they wimper again. Only way I’ve seen it go wrong with ours or with friends’ kids is 1) inconsistency on the part of the parents, or 2) illness getting in the way.

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ThomPete on Saturday December 02, 2017 @01:27PM (#15833202)
France has done the cry out method for generations.
Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by dgut on Saturday December 02, 2017 @01:49PM (#15833308)
Just because someone has done something for generations doesn't make it right. They also send children to kindergarten by the 3rd month, for economic reasons.

Having traveled a bit in Northern Africa, I noticed baby sleep problems are virtually non-existent there. They do what humans have done for eons: co-sleeping and breastfeeding. They do it so naturally, mothers are never fully awake while they breastfeed during the night (wife had to sleep in a room full of women and children on several occasions).

Biologically, this makes a lot more sense than giving the signal to the most immaturely born placental mammal that she can't rely on the mother's care.

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ThomPete on Saturday December 02, 2017 @02:44PM (#15833622)
Wait are we talking morals or are we talking genetic and statistics?

Denmark sends their kids to nursery school early too and because many women work full time there it means most children aren't with their parent's for a long duration of the day (used ot be much earlier).

What you think about it morally isn't interesting to me. Unless you can prove it's somehow making them worse of then my original position is intact.

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by dgut on Saturday December 02, 2017 @07:25PM (#15835202)
I think you might have misinterpreted my comment as an argument about moral.

Leaving babies to cry or separating them from their mothers for extended periods of time is primarily a health issue which I believe should concern society. [1][2][3] Unfortunately, it fits our economic model very well -- so there is that.

[1] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.432...

[2] https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/development-and-psyc...

[3] http://champagnelab.psych.columbia.edu/docs/champ11.pdf

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ThomPete on Sunday December 03, 2017 @01:26PM (#15838729)
No, I asked you what we were discussing because it sounded like you were talking about right or wrong.

If you want it to concern society perhaps first you need to make clear what it is you are trying to avoid.

I don't see any evidence which proves some larger societal problem.

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by celman on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:01PM (#15834379)
Maybe I'm reading it wrong but i don't think parent is raising a morality issue. I think the point was parent's experience with cosleeping having positive effects re baby sleep. I'm not saying this is scientifically valid, btw.

However, saying "unless you can prove it" shows ignorance. Not everything is known. Lack of proof does not indicate a hypothesis' invalidity. and I'm not aware of solid proof against it either.

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by creep on Saturday December 02, 2017 @11:48AM (#15832701)
My mom cuddled me when I was a babe but I still have autism

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ZeroGravitas on Saturday December 02, 2017 @01:01PM (#15833099)
Historically, mothers were blamed for causing their kids to have autism by being "cold" towards them. "Refrigerator mom's" was one name for them.

With modern insight it seems more likely that moms somewhere on the autism spectrum themselves were being blamed because they seemed odd to neurotypical medics.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refrigerator_mother_theory

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by creep on Saturday December 02, 2017 @01:23PM (#15833187)
I have read about the refrigerator mom concept, but didn't make the link that these mothers could have potentially been autistic themselves. On this note, you are probably aware of the recent attention being paid to the diagnosis of women and girls with autism. Until recently the common conception was that males were more likely to have autism because most of the early research was done on autistic boys! And, in case you're curious to learn more and haven't heard, I've linked to an article from Scientific American (below) which reviews some newish research suggesting that females with autism have brains more closely resembling neurotypical males (and the interesting "protected sex" hypothesis, dealing with how testosterone influences the development of autism).

My dad is likely autistic, so there's the link for me. I don't know him at all, but genetics are a whacky little code system and I've magically taken a liking to electronics and computers with the same degree of passion that he supposedly applies to his work with ham radio! I was raised in a highly artistic community, and although I have developed a decent creative ability and do art as a hobby, my career path is in maths and computer science. Interesting!

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autism-it-s-diffe...

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by kevin_thibedeau on Saturday December 02, 2017 @03:26PM (#15833866)
Children of distant mothers tend to develop anxiety and personality disorders. Witness the new king.
Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by vixen99 on Saturday December 02, 2017 @12:45PM (#15833007)
On what basis?

"Early-Experiences-Can-Alter-Gene-Expression-and-Affect-Long-Term-Development.pdf"

http://developingchild.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/2010/0...

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ThomPete on Saturday December 02, 2017 @04:03PM (#15834075)
What specifically are you referring to in that paper?
Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by woodpanel on Saturday December 02, 2017 @03:24PM (#15833856)
I was having similar doubts, but the article states:

"In children, we think slower epigenetic ageing could reflect less favourable developmental progress"

Re:Babies who get more cuddles have their genetics changed f... by ThomPete on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:31PM (#15834559)
Yeah but that's what I am doubting what even means to be honest. Premature kids behave very differently and many of them are void of contact in the beginning.