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Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Saturday December 02, 2017 @02:00AM (#15830664)
Nice to see xenophobia being openly advocated on HN.
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by chesimov on Saturday December 02, 2017 @04:22AM (#15831123)
Does 'xenophobia' have other connotations in the US besides its established meaning?
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:32AM (#15831309)
Xenophobia is fear or loathing of outsiders.

NIMBYism prevents outsiders from moving to your neighborhood. It is xenophobic in intent and effect.

Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by chesimov on Saturday December 02, 2017 @11:52AM (#15832728)
According to other comments, people don't seem to care about who moves in / from where, rather they care about their property value being diluted.
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Saturday December 02, 2017 @02:52PM (#15833662)
That is a distinction without a difference.
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by Clubber on Saturday December 02, 2017 @02:30AM (#15830756)
Maybe you should look up that word before you throw it around.
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by ryanlol on Saturday December 02, 2017 @08:54AM (#15831845)
Their usage seems fine, perhaps you should look up the word before criticizing people for using the word. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

It's not far-fetched to associate NIMBYism with a fear of the strange and foreign.

Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Saturday December 02, 2017 @10:10AM (#15832112)
Thanks. (I prefer the pronoun they.)
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Saturday December 02, 2017 @03:10AM (#15830864)
I'm on very solid ground calling NIMBYism xenophobic. (It is also racist given how people of color were systematically excluded from housing until very recently.)
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by Clubber on Saturday December 02, 2017 @03:16AM (#15830879)
So xenophobia is fear of people other countries.

NIMBY means "Not in my back yard." That includes everything from HUD housing, to nuclear power plants, to fracking, to prisons.

I don't see how being afraid of nuclear disasters is in any way xenophobic. I also don't see how not wanting your property devalued by building cheaper houses is either.

I think you don't have a clear understanding of what those things are, particularly in regards to the article we're discussing which happens to be in present day time.

Or maybe that's your "I want to win" tactic and you are just throwing it out there to see if it will stick. That might work in some corners of the internet, but it doesn't seem to be working here. If you have a rational argument about the discussion, I invite you to present it.

Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Saturday December 02, 2017 @05:26AM (#15831292)
Xenophobia is fear or loathing of outsiders.

Nuclear plants are a ridiculous strawman. We're talking about places for people — living, breathing human beings, with thoughts, dreams and aspirations — to live in.

Ensuring other people have a place to live is more important than your property values and neighborhood character.

I have an extremely clear understanding of how the white upper middle class has systematically used the state's monopoly on violence to exclude anyone else from joining their ranks.

Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by Clubber on Sunday December 03, 2017 @02:29PM (#15839038)
So redefining words so your argument makes sense isn't a valid tactic. From a dictionary:

xen·o·pho·bi·a ˌzenəˈfōbēə,ˌzēnəˈfōbēə/Submit noun intense or irrational dislike or fear of people from other countries.

Nimby ˈnimbē/Submit noun a person who objects to the siting of something perceived as unpleasant or potentially dangerous in their own neighborhood, such as a landfill or hazardous waste facility, especially while raising no such objections to similar developments elsewhere.

Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Sunday December 03, 2017 @06:33PM (#15840288)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia includes "strangers".

In common parlance in the United States, NIMBYism includes opposition to housing. That is also what we're talking about in this thread.

Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by Clubber on Monday December 04, 2017 @08:45AM (#15843705)
Maybe in your little bubble, but not generally.
Re:The Great American Single-Family Home Problem by damnyou on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:53PM (#15874705)
If you want, replace all instances of "NIMBYism" in my text with your preferred term. Maybe "housing NIMBYism"?

You'll see that the changes don't actually make a difference to any of my arguments.