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Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by emodendroket on Friday December 01, 2017 @09:15PM (#15829681)
Because a house I can live in now is worth more to me than a house I can maybe live in in 30 years?

Even if you are unconcerned with mortgages, though, loans are the basis of most business operations; in a world where taking out loans doesn't make sense presumably we'd see a lot less economic activity and a lot more just sitting on money waiting for it to deflate. Unless you have some sort of alternate economy in mind (and I haven't met many Bitcoin guys who are planned-economy enthusiasts) switching to a deflationary model would be a complete economic disaster.

Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Friday December 01, 2017 @09:23PM (#15829716)
I think bitcoin will finally separate the good debt from the bad debt. It is my personal belief ( as in i don't know of any formal theory ) that debt should only be incurred for the use of building a productive asset. That covers completely your business loans argument. In a deflationary currency, this encourages businesses to ensure that productivity increases will have greater returns than savings. Instead, our financial system has encouraged the acquisition of debt for fixed assets. The only thing this has done is bid up the price of those fixed debts with debt, and handed over the money for supporting that system to banks and their owners. In order to stimulate growth in such a system, the only way that you can function is to tax savings. That's what inflation is. What it forces people to do is to invest in increasingly risky assets, because of the loss of their purchasing power. Hence bubble after bubble after bubble. Crisis after crisis after crisis.

Bitcoin will eventually stabilize to an ever appreciating value asset. But what it will allow you to do is save for a house. If you have a business proposal that encourages people to pay you for a good or service, people will invest their savings in it and take on that risk. Banks will instead move back to providing capital to businesses, using savings from people that are willing to invest. Businesses will again focus on productivity increases, because that's how you get access to capital.

I also don't think it is going to be resisted quite as much as people think it will be. People still need to pay their taxes, and that is not going to stop. The main thing it is going to do is prick the bubble of consumer debt, and remove the banking middle-men from that space. That alone is a multi-trillion dollar industry, let alone the annuities that banks own and graft from, from those assets. Removing these people (i.e. banking debt suppliers) from positions of power, by strangling their access to capital, is a justification for bitcoin in its own right. Imagine a world in which banks didn't control governments.

That's the way it is supposed to work i think. It is pure genius.

Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by emodendroket on Friday December 01, 2017 @09:34PM (#15829765)
Frankly I think the outcomes of adopting Bitcoin as a legal currency would be wildly different from the picture you're painting.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Friday December 01, 2017 @11:01PM (#15830065)
We are going to find out.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by emodendroket on Friday December 01, 2017 @11:42PM (#15830198)
Probably not. What basis do you have to think that any government, let alone all of them, are going to adapt it?
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Saturday December 02, 2017 @12:15AM (#15830299)
It doesn't matter what they do. That's the great thing about bitcoin. No-one is forcing you to use it. If you don't think it suits your requirements, don't use it.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by emodendroket on Saturday December 02, 2017 @12:35AM (#15830368)
This seems like a non sequitur if we're discussing it being a "legal currency", by which I meant one you pay your taxes in.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Saturday December 02, 2017 @01:12AM (#15830502)
I have no problem spending in whatever currency, whenever required, for whatever purpose, and keeping my savings in bitcoin.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by bduerst on Saturday December 02, 2017 @01:31AM (#15830561)
That's dodging the question.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Saturday December 02, 2017 @02:48AM (#15830808)
He said : > > What basis do you have to think that any government, let alone all of them, are going to adapt it?

I said : > It doesn't matter what they do.

They can adopt it, or not adopt it. It makes no difference whatsoever.

Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by emodendroket on Saturday December 02, 2017 @07:36AM (#15831622)
Notice you could only make this "summary" by skipping most of the beats in the conversation. Also, I'd say it actually matters tremendously whether Bitcoin becomes legal tender somewhere or remains a marginal element of the world economy that only a handful of true believers buy anything other than weed with.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Saturday December 02, 2017 @10:37PM (#15835825)
I'm off to the pub to buy a beer this very second, on this rainy sunday afternoon. And I'll be using my bitcoin debit card to buy them. I can buy about twice as many as I would otherwise be able to, given the value of bitcoin increasing since the money was placed into my bitcoin account.

You should try it. It works really well. And beer is delicious.

Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by emodendroket on Monday December 04, 2017 @07:37AM (#15843378)
Would you give it a rest with the beer stuff? If that is what makes it a real currency then a gift card to the liquor store is just as relevant. And the fact that the USD exchange rate changing immediately means you can buy more stuff makes the opposite point of the one you're trying to make.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @02:59AM (#15859374)
Buy gift cards if you like. I'll use bitcoin. Let's compare notes in a year.

Having another delicious beer right now on my bitcoin debit card. It has been a good day.

Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by bduerst on Wednesday December 06, 2017 @07:06PM (#15866344)
Why not put a $10,000 bet into escrow right now, since you're so confident on Bitcoin being used as a currency a year from now?
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:26AM (#15869175)
Where you say 'bet', I say 'adopt'. I have adopted crypto as my store of value reference. It's working out quite well.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by bduerst on Sunday December 10, 2017 @04:09PM (#15893510)
When I say bet, I mean bet. It's a way to back what you're saying. Your using semantics to dodge further proves your repeated comments are just hot air.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by emodendroket on Friday December 08, 2017 @07:09AM (#15878177)
Talk about missing the point.
Re:PwC Hong Kong first Big Four firm to accept bitcoin by Frogolocalypse on Sunday December 03, 2017 @12:19AM (#15836092)
https://imgur.com/a/vmdbW

It tastes real enough.