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Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by coldtea on Thursday November 30, 2017 @07:24AM (#15815169)
>So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely?

Forced (inter-)nationalization of Google under the control of the UN.

>Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge?

Pretty much yes. Charges should be bared by the Global Federation of Essential Services.

Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by joshuamorton on Thursday November 30, 2017 @12:46PM (#15817730)
(am Googler, am amused by this idea, so let's run with it)

Would this apply to all of google, or just specific product areas (ie, would you only nationalize Search, or Search & Ads, or something else)?

If yes, do tensorflow development now fall under the purview of the UN? Is Android now a partially closed-source, world-government administered, operating system, used by a significant fraction of every human being?

If not, how does one manage infrastructure for the now government administered search system, and corporate everything-else? Do they share the datacenters (and thus give government employees access to the datacenters full of user data), or do they split the datacenters up somehow, and give some to the government, and keep others?

What happens to my existing Google Account? Does the government get access to any of my user data, and if so, which subset? Do we do away with search personalization, or start it over from scratch?

I'm very honestly curious how you would orchestrate this, or expect it to work.

Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by coldtea on Thursday November 30, 2017 @02:57PM (#15818955)
>Would this apply to all of google, or just specific product areas (ie, would you only nationalize Search, or Search & Ads, or something else)?

Mostly search. We'll drop the ads. People will be subsidising search already, so no need for ads.

>If yes, do tensorflow development now fall under the purview of the UN?

No, that Alphabet can keep.

>Is Android now a partially closed-source, world-government administered, operating system, used by a significant fraction of every human being?

Yes.

>If not, how does one manage infrastructure for the now government administered search system, and corporate everything-else? Do they share the datacenters (and thus give government employees access to the datacenters full of user data), or do they split the datacenters up somehow, and give some to the government, and keep others?

Every piece of data will be queryable by a simple RESTful API for everybody, including everybody's else search history. We'll call it "radical transparency". This is include the data of government members.

>What happens to my existing Google Account?

It remains as is, only better.

>Does the government get access to any of my user data, and if so, which subset?

Yes, all, see above.

>Do we do away with search personalization, or start it over from scratch?

We kill that. It never worked well anyway.

I'm partly joking, and partly imagining what a sane humanity, that could build and coordinate stuff on a global scale without letting them to the markets, in other words a "Star Trek" like government, would do.

Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by saalweachter on Thursday November 30, 2017 @05:21PM (#15820137)
What will be the fate of search "verticals" (Map Search, Product Search, Video Search, ...)?

Will UNGoogle have the "one box" answers (eg, music lyrics, weather) which give real information from the search results, or just ten blue links?

Will the employment contracts of existing staff (SWEs, SREs, PMs, lawyercats) be transferred to the UN as well? Will employment be maintained on the current terms?

Will the UN employ more "customer service representatives"? What would staffing levels look like, across the UNGoogle?

Will UNGoogle maintain the existing data relationships as Google? Will UNGoogle purchase eg, Geo data from third-parties, or will it just be their privilege to submit their data to UNGoogle?

What will the process look like at UNGoogle for making changes to the ranking algorithms? Will there be an appeals process if a ranking change is detrimental to your business or national interests?

Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by Fnoord on Friday December 01, 2017 @01:59PM (#15826289)
Ungoogle, that's a very inspiring verb. I'll use that to describe the act of getting out of the Google bubble (ie. stop using Google products). Thank you for the inspiration.
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by fastball on Thursday November 30, 2017 @07:28AM (#15815202)
You're going to nationalize Google before nationalizing the internet itself? I think you're missing the forest for the trees.
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by rusk on Thursday November 30, 2017 @07:36AM (#15815243)
I think he means globalize rather than nationalize ...

I guess someone's been reading Picketty ..

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Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by rusk on Thursday November 30, 2017 @08:18AM (#15815442)
admit that the waters around you have grown And accept it that soon you'll be drenched to the bone If your time to you is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' or you'll sink like a stone
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by coldtea on Thursday November 30, 2017 @12:16PM (#15817423)
Sure, but then again Google is like 30% of the internet (if not more in traffic, if we add YouTube in the mix).

And even more important than 30% perhaps, culturally, business-wise, etc.

Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by pc86 on Thursday November 30, 2017 @09:06AM (#15815761)
I can't even put into words how shockingly bad this "idea" is.
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by teddyh on Thursday November 30, 2017 @09:18AM (#15815820)
This is a discussion forum. Putting things into words is the purpose of commenting. If you can’t, then maybe you shouldn’t.
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by rusk on Thursday November 30, 2017 @09:35AM (#15815949)
Unless you're on reddit of course ...
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by tedunangst on Thursday November 30, 2017 @03:53PM (#15819409)
So what happens when another company makes a search engine that's better than UN Search and users switch to that? Does the UN just eat them up too? Round and round? Or do we make everybody sign a Search Antiproliferation Treaty that bans private search engines?
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by jrs95 on Thursday November 30, 2017 @09:18AM (#15815822)
I didn't think there was a way for Bing to become a better search engine than Google, but I think this would do it.
Re:Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016) by coldtea on Thursday November 30, 2017 @03:00PM (#15818968)
Yeah, government funded work only gave us the internet and the web after all.