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Re:Ajit Pai is right by berbec on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:00PM (#15799661)
I find the government regulating the ISPs to stop them from killing competing businesses is not increasing my dependence on the government. I do depend on the government to stop corporations from forcing me to depend on their products while stopping competitors from entering the market. [1]

Isn't a free market with competition what everyone wants?

1: http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/06/technology/verizon_blocks_go...

Re:Ajit Pai is right by masklinn on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:17PM (#15799836)
That is funny, because the pre-2015 rules were only put in place in 2005, downgrading from a much more stringent regulatory environment than the post-2015 one.

And by funny I mean nonsensical.

Furthermore the 2015 move was undertaken because since 2005 the FCC had been enforcing Net Neutrality rules under Title I, but Verizon ultimately sued and in 2014 the courts decided the FCC did not have the authority to enforce these rules under Title I.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by thehardsphere on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:26PM (#15799927)
Really? It was my understanding that this was part of the Telecommunications Act of 1996. Am I mistaken?
Re:Ajit Pai is right by masklinn on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:47PM (#15800126)
Likely confused rather than mistaken. The Telecommunications Act set up the various titles and regulatory regimes, but the FCC decides which regime applies to whom, and until 2002 (Cable) and 2005 (dial-up and DSL) ISPs were classified as Title II, which is where the FCC put them back in 2015.

And the reason the FCC moved them back to Title II is that in 2014 the courts ruled the FCC's long-standing Net Neutrality rules could not actually be enforced under Title I.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by cptskippy on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:19PM (#15799858)
Couldn't something similar be said of companies?

Companies what regulations repealed: to increase the company's power while pretending to protect you, but in fact increasing your dependence of said company.

Why do you have more faith in companies than a government? Do you honestly believe that market forces can sway mega corporations?

Re:Ajit Pai is right by scarface74 on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @09:21PM (#15803982)
Why do you have more faith in companies than a government

It seems like companies have been much more on the side of the angels than the government this past year.

They have been a much louder voice for equality and civil liberties.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by nickpp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:31PM (#15799978)
Because I always have a choice with companies: they cannot be monopolies unless helped by governments. Startups and competitors will swiftly punish any bad player in a free market, thus compelling players to behave.

The proof is all around me: everything good comes from companies: cars, computers, my house, my heating furnace, restaurant food, hotels, etc.

Everything crappy and bad is related one way or another with govts: bureaucracy, dmv, borders, postal service, state hospitals, state schools.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by takeda on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:49PM (#15800144)
First Title II doesn't make the government start offering Internet service, it is similar to FDA preventing companies to include poison in our food to cut cost (and you can be sure that especially the public companies would do that if they could. This happens when individual people are not liable and #1 goal of a public company is to improve earnings every quarter).

I have an exercise for you right now.

Let say you are pissed at your current ISP and don't want to use them anymore, who would you switch to? If you have 1 extra choice of high speed internet, congratulations you're one of very small percentage of people. If you don't have other choices (like me) perhaps now you see the problem.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by nickpp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @02:00PM (#15800273)
The lack of choice in ISP marked is due to heavy govt regulation. They then added more regulation to fix the problem they created.

Which is my original point: keep increasing that power...

Re:Ajit Pai is right by takeda on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @02:25PM (#15800523)
It's not.

I don't know how old you are, but I remember it was very different ~20 years ago.

Previously Internet was classified as a telecommunication service, and was following the same regulations. Any company could easily enter the market and provide a service. Until FCC deregulated it in 2002 and 2005.

First was reclassification from telecommunication service to information service, the second was removing requirement to lease the infrastructure to others at reasonable price.

Now in order to enter the market each company will need to lay its own infrastructure, but it is even worse than that. If a company wants to run its own fiber cables (like Google Fiber was doing) they need to get incumbent ISPs to move their wires to make space. And those incumbent ISPs purposefully are delaying the process.

In Nashville Google managed to convince city to pass a legislation which would not require incumbent ISPs action, and moving existing wires could be done while lying the new ones (it's done by the same technicians that incumbent ISP would sent anyway). And of course the city was sued by incumbent ISPs.

This shows how fucked this situation really is, because even Google is giving up on their Google Fiber project, and if they can't who else can enter.

Oh and nice bonus, is that Title II requires pole sharing, once it is repealed that requirement won't apply as well. That means any new ISP entering the area will have to deal with constructing new poles or new wells which is even more expensive.

So in short if this is repealed we will be in even more fucked up situation right now.

Oh yeah, also Ajit wants to make sure that individual states won't be able to impose their rules overriding it.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by cptskippy on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @03:27PM (#15801151)
You forgot the part where the government paid for the incumbent's infrastructure that they no longer have to share.
Re:Ajit Pai is right by croon on Wednesday November 29, 2017 @05:00AM (#15805761)
How many water pipes do you have running to your house? How many electricity lines?

Do you want 5 different ones of each, so you can have market choices? What if there's a really good 6th contender, you mind digging up your yard once again so you can get their service?

Oh, you only have one of each, but still have a choice between providers? That's a great "natural free market", I must hear more about how it came to be. Do please tell.

You need community owned, or privately owned but regulated last mile access, so that multiple ISPs can access you as a customer, for there to be a working market. That means government involvement.

I might also add a constant fact: You are the government.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by cptskippy on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @03:32PM (#15801199)
> they cannot be monopolies unless helped by governments.

So natural monopolies aren't a thing? How did Google, Microsoft, US Steel and Standard Oil benefit or receive government support?

Re:Ajit Pai is right by 0xfeba on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:05PM (#15799713)
Yes, damned that FDA and NHTSA for not letting me drink my raw milk while driving in a car without airbags. Clearly a power grab.
Re:Ajit Pai is right by nickpp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:57PM (#15800229)
I used to drink raw milk as a child. It was delicious. I like making my own choices. I do not need to be protected from myself.
Re:Ajit Pai is right by 0xfeba on Wednesday November 29, 2017 @10:14AM (#15807353)
Congratulations. The other 99% of people do need to be protected. Remember, more than 90% of 30,000 of them kill themselves or others in car crashes each year due to driver error, in the US.

That number used to be much higher before safety standards were implemented. So while you can argue about specific standards and regulations, on the whole it's clear society has benefited greatly from them.

Re:Ajit Pai is right by mfringel on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:11PM (#15799782)
[citation needed]
Re:Ajit Pai is right by nickpp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:33PM (#15799999)
Do you seriously need a citation for that idea? Why do you think govts exist? Why do all those smart politicians take those fairly crappy paid govt jobs? From the goodness of their hearts?!