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Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by pjmlp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:04AM (#15797832)
Just like on all Apple and Google OSes, not to mention hardware.

Either you control everything, including hardware, or need to compromise at some level.

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by pecg on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:13AM (#15797925)
I agree. If a company prevents users from having control over their hardware, then it can be trivial for such company to control whatever software the user chooses to install on the computer.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by umanwizard on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @12:57PM (#15799618)
macOS does not in any way prevent you from controlling your hardware, or control what software you install on it.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by umanwizard on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @11:08AM (#15798449)
This is completely wrong. Telemetry on macOS and iOS is opt-in.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by pjmlp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @11:44AM (#15798836)
Really, how can you ensure that?
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by ksk on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @12:46PM (#15799497)
I think Apple opts you into the choice. You can easily reset your iphone settings and go see what is checked by default under location services/system services. Why do you think its "completely wrong"?
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by rbanffy on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:46AM (#15798236)
I don't remember when Apple (or Google) installed something on my machine without my permission.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by pjmlp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:58AM (#15798362)
"Google collects Android users’ locations even when location services are disabled"

https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...

Just a quick example, as I am on the go currently.

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by nitrogen on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:56AM (#15798342)
A Google update to Android a while back (couple years ago) removed the separate email app, which I needed for work (Exchange), without asking and without a replacement. Despite a new Exchange interface being added much later, I lost a lot of faith in Google that day.

Apple's constant update nags make older iOS devices borderline unusable, but acquiescing to the update makes the device completely unusable due to massive lag.

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by BeefySwain on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:57AM (#15798354)
Have you ever used an Android phone?
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by rbanffy on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @12:36PM (#15799403)
I use one. Features and programs are very rarely added, unless through OS updates, which usually are very conspicuous.

While Google has deprecated and removed features in major updates, I don't remember a single instance of something that generated a measurable extra workload on my phone was pushed automatically by Google.

Do you remember any such event?

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by pjmlp on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @01:04PM (#15799698)
Play Services updates.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by rbanffy on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @04:55PM (#15802205)
Does it slow down your phone?
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by pjmlp on Wednesday November 29, 2017 @02:20AM (#15805229)
Some updates have even lead to the play store not working, this is a well known problem.

https://android.stackexchange.com/questions/122918/google-pl...

Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by lwansbrough on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @10:57AM (#15798351)
Isn’t Apple forcing High Sierra upgrades? And my phone prompts me to update every day.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by feliix42 on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @11:00AM (#15798381)
No, I'm still stalling on the update as a few friends had some problems with it. Every other week or so it reminds me of the update but I simply ignore that.
Re:HP installs system-slowing spyware on its PCs by wlll on Tuesday November 28, 2017 @11:08AM (#15798455)
Is it? I've got High Sierra available for my machine and i've been ignoring it because Iv'e got stuff to finish. I'll upgrade when I'm ready in a few days or so.