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Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by emodendroket on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:02AM (#15787793)
I mostly agree with this, but I wouldn't call coding a "blue-collar job." That has a lot of social implications that don't really fit.
Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by throwawayjava on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:10AM (#15787853)
My family of doctors and scientists definitely think of software as blue-collar work. Especially anything www.

My other family of nurses and factory workers definitely think of software as white-collar professional work. Especially anything www.

I think the same thing happens with engineering, except engineers have a bit more social capital due to their guilds.

More-over, the answer isn't static. E.g., a couple hundred years ago, we could've had this same conversation about whether carpenters or silver-smiths are laborers (or whatever other blue-collar-label-of-the-time).

But the answer also doesn't much matter. What matters is that your compensation makes you happy, will keep you happy in the future, and the work is interesting enough to make you feel sufficiently fulfilled (or the pay high enough that you don't care about that).

Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by wolco on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:27AM (#15788008)
What is interesting is those safe doctor professions will be hit hard by automation. I see the beginning of automation already. Perhaps gp will be a thing of the past while all doctors become more specialists.
Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by Cthulhu_ on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:36AM (#15788088)
Like how webmd is making doctors unnecessary? Doubtful. At best they ( / we ) will get better diagnostics tools, but that won't reduce demand for people in the job.
Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by Consultant32452 on Monday November 27, 2017 @11:06AM (#15788349)
It will be interesting to see the AMA and IBM's Watson duke it out as Watson (or similar AI) makes diagnostic knowledge a waste of human capital. I suspect in 10 years or less we'll just need an empathetic person to deliver us bad news who has the bare minimum medical knowledge to strap on whatever test apparatus properly.
Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by emodendroket on Monday November 27, 2017 @11:11AM (#15788384)
That assumes a state of medical knowledge that is, I think, more advanced than the one we have in reality.
Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by ashark on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:48AM (#15788197)
Some professional educations confer nigh-automatic professional class (Fussell's "upper middle") status, and tend to include socialization into that class as part of the package. Doctors, lawyers, certain fields in business. They may be rich, they may not, but every parent says "oh, your new SO's a lawyer! Better hang on to that one, kid!"

Programmers, engineers, and the like don't get that automatically, without more context—money, notable employer and notable position at that employer, and even then maybe not quite placed at the same social rank as a doctor/lawyer without even more context, e.g. school, other non-tech accomplishments (languages and arts especially), and so on. Going to any Ivy, top public, or famous European (especially British) school gets you closer (see the part above in paragraph one about socialization into the upper-middle).

[EDIT] I should add that you also don't gain Academic cred that puts you on a kind of adjacent track on the whole class system, with full professorships granting similar social standing to doctors/lawyers and the like. Unless you are in academia, and don't bail on it for private industry too early.

Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by throwawayjava on Monday November 27, 2017 @12:00PM (#15788801)
> I should add that you also don't gain Academic cred that puts you on a kind of adjacent track on the whole class system

Not just class system, but also career track.

If a DotCom 2.0 bust happens tomorrow, I can bail on tech of a half dozen other fields -- I have the network and the knowledge base to find high five/low six salaries outside of software. That's probably less true for me-N-years-ago, who could program certain things real good but that was about it.

Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by oblio on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:11AM (#15787864)
Agreed. People here act like, because you don't do CS research, you have a blue collar job.

I have some news for you folks, most white collar jobs (account, finance, etc) are more boring than a job as a enterprise CRUD developer.

If development is blue collar, then 95% of jobs are blue collar...

Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by throwawayjava on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:23AM (#15787973)
Most medical jobs are more boring than a job as a enterprise CRUD developer. Some even pay less.

That doesn't make them blue collar, even when we consider some software to be blue collar.

Now, whether blue collar is a useful label and whether people should be considering social capital when choosing a career? Those are the more important questions.

Re:Advice from a 19 Year Old Girl and Software Developer by emodendroket on Monday November 27, 2017 @10:44AM (#15788158)
Yes, clearly, more than income is going on; a plumber is likely to make more than a bookkeeper.