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Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by skybrian on Saturday November 25, 2017 @09:23AM (#15776064)
I don't know about Australia but if it's like the US, housing is not excluded entirely but there is a lag based on how long it takes for rents to rise.

People are not all affected by changes in housing prices immediately. If you own your home or pay below market rent you won't be affected until later. A survey asking how much people actually pay will have a built-in lag.

Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by sbenitoj on Saturday November 25, 2017 @09:42AM (#15776129)
People generally don’t borrow money to pay their rent, so rent prices are restricted by local salaries.

People borrow the vast majority of the cost of a house to buy it, so housing prices are largely only restricted by how much banks are willing to lend and how much it costs to borrow — all of which is heavily influenced by central banks.

Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by seanmcdirmid on Saturday November 25, 2017 @10:26AM (#15776297)
Also, no one speculates on real estate by renting. It isn’t just how much money buyers can borrow, even if they are paying for it all in cash and don’t plan on living in the property, it also about perceived upside.
Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by christophilus on Saturday November 25, 2017 @06:20PM (#15778542)
That is an obvious statement, and yet it has never occurred to me. I now (finally) understand why renting is generally a better decision than buying.
Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by sbenitoj on Monday November 27, 2017 @01:31PM (#15789792)
Glad to hear it helps!

The NYT has a good “buy vs rent calculator” that’s worth checking out:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-cal...

Even though the calculator is useful, it’s important to have a really good understanding of why housing is so much more expensive today (as a percentage of avg annual income) than it was 50-60 years ago. For that I recommend a short, but extremely useful book, The Housing Trap:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/buy-rent-cal...

Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by branchless on Saturday November 25, 2017 @12:13PM (#15776761)
No do not confuse land prices with rents. Rents are set by wages. Land prices are set by loose credit.
Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by paganel on Saturday November 25, 2017 @06:34PM (#15778589)
> Rents are set by wages.

That is incorrect. Loose credit most definitely affects rents, as in more people can now afford to buy real-estate (houses, apartments), that reduces the supply of available places to rent (assuming no new constructions take place, for the sake of the demonstration), and generally speaking a reduced level of supply has been accompanied by higher prices, in this case higher rents.

Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by jpatokal on Saturday November 25, 2017 @06:44PM (#15778614)
Yes, the supply of rental is affected, but the previous poster's point was that demand is anchored by reality (wages) and not speculation (bank loans).
Re:Australia's Housing Frenzy by conanbatt on Saturday November 25, 2017 @06:23PM (#15778554)
I like how succinct this comment is.

Is there a conclusion on the global movement of rent prices in comparison to house prices?