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Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by JimmyAustin on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:11AM (#15769530)
Alternate headline: "New CEO discovers scandal covered up by predecessor, launches internal investigation and announces findings to the public once the investigation is concluded"
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by hyperrail on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:24AM (#15769578)
Even if you only count the 2 months since Khosrowshahi learned about the 2016 hack, Equifax still took less time (6 weeks) to do its own secret investigation of its hack and publish the results - and yet it was vilified by the public and press for its slow disclosure.

Plus, Khosrowshahi told Softbank about the ongoing investigation 3 weeks before the rest of us - while this information was important to Softbank, it would also be important to any other potential investor, and we do not know whether any others were indeed told about it.

Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by sillysaurus3 on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:29AM (#15769601)
6 weeks really isn't a long time. They had to locate a pentesting firm that specializes in forensic investigation, schedule it, conduct it, then decide what to do.

I know it's an unpopular opinion. But both Uber and Equifax took similar amounts of time.

Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by austenallred on Friday November 24, 2017 @02:25AM (#15769919)
Uber had a new CEO stepping in and learning how to run the company from zero, and this was one of the many, many things he had to worry about; a threat that was reportedly neutralized.

Equifax leaked the social security information and credit histories of an enormous number of Americans, when their main job is to keep it safe and available.

It’s a little silly to compare the timelines. They’re just completely different.

Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by drchickensalad on Friday November 24, 2017 @10:38AM (#15771376)
> when their main job is to keep it safe and available.

LOL. I don't think their incentives are in line with that at all. It may be what we want but then we're just lying to ourselves.

Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by dzhiurgis on Friday November 24, 2017 @06:23AM (#15770529)
> learning how to run the company from zero

Is handover a thing among CEO’s?

Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by dagw on Friday November 24, 2017 @06:24AM (#15770536)
Depends who equitable the split from the old CEO was. Is he retiring out of his own free will and handing over the company to trusted successor he helped pick or is he being forcefully ousted by the board after a massive bitter proxy battle.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by mannykannot on Friday November 24, 2017 @10:47AM (#15771424)
Furthermore, it is not as if the breach had just been discovered: Uber had already investigated the issue to the point where it paid the blackmail, so I suspect the then chief of security and his staff already knew enough to make a responsible, if preliminary, disclosure - and to initiate the credit-monitoring program.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by nodesocket on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:19AM (#15769557)
Completely agree. The "media" is notoriously writing headlines that cause outrage. Outrage sells and keeps them in business.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by Joeri on Friday November 24, 2017 @01:36AM (#15769788)
If people chose non-shouty news sources, the media wouldn’t shout. They only do it because we (generic we) prefer media that does that.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by simplemts on Friday November 24, 2017 @09:49AM (#15771167)
And? These companies are exploiting psychology in all humans (at least on average). To put ownership on the consumers only is very silly. It's like excusing the behavior of sugar, alcohol, tobacco, pharmaceutical, etc. and saying "If you consume it's your fault" and ignoring the manipulative practices of these organizations.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by aaronbrethorst on Friday November 24, 2017 @02:50AM (#15769984)
What's up with the "scare quotes?"
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by eddieplan9 on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:23AM (#15769570)
This media then blames everything on Facebook and twitter and google, and write an article everyday about congressional hearing and how Americans are not trusting tech any more.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by mannykannot on Friday November 24, 2017 @10:39AM (#15771380)
Complaining about headlines is becoming a convenient way to avoid talking about the substantive issues - which is another strike against them.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by hellbreaker on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:35AM (#15769614)
I would think it would be to his advantage to disclose it as well. To put another nail in the coffin for Kalanick ever coming back as CEO.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by nilkn on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:39AM (#15769631)
He should have come forward with it immediately while still conducting the internal investigation. Not only do customers deserve to know as soon as possible, but it would have established trust in him as CEO and cemented that Kalanick needed to be gone.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by eddieplan9 on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:54AM (#15769675)
You mean he should have told those affected without knowing what actually was leaked, the scope and impact of the leak, and the whereabout of the leaked data, or making sure there is enough safeguard in place so no one can repeat the same attack? Does not sound more responsible?

The keyword is responsible disclosure, not just disclosure.

Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by Brotkrumen on Friday November 24, 2017 @03:40AM (#15770125)
Thats misusing the term responsible disclosure.

Once they knew any something was leaked, no matter what, the responsible move is to inform everyone to give them a chance to lock down their shit. More time or knowledge of where the data is won't save anyone.

As for the "other attacker" excuse, how would that work? Just from knowing that data was leaked no new attacker can deduce the weakness used.

Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by barry0079 on Friday November 24, 2017 @05:30AM (#15770415)
The PR damage to the company would be much greater due to people speculating a worst case scenario. Followed up by the fact people wouldn't care anymore when the investigation is finished.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by megy on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:20AM (#15769561)
Is that enough though? Since they are supposed to reveal their hack a week after it happened, going public straight away is the best thing to do.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by stochastic_monk on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:37AM (#15769622)
I completely agree. Taking months to let tens of millions of people know their information was compromised isn't acceptable, no matter whether or not you know all the details about it. (The obvious exception being an as-of-yet insecure point of attack.)
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by siruncledrew on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:21AM (#15769564)
Do you think investors would have pressured this approach rather than have an immediate disclosure to save PR?
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by jonathankoren on Friday November 24, 2017 @12:24AM (#15769575)
That’s not how you’re supposed to handle hacks, especially when other people’s data is compromised. You’re leaving victims needlessly exposed.
Re:New Uber CEO Knew of Hack for Months by wpietri on Friday November 24, 2017 @01:24AM (#15769755)
California law requires notification in "the most expedient time possible and without unreasonable delay, consistent with the legitimate needs of law enforcement, as provided in subdivision (c), or any measures necessary to determine the scope of the breach and restore the reasonable integrity of the data system."

This sounds like something well, well beyond that. So as far as I'm concerned, the new CEO seems like nearly as much of as scofflaw as the old.

[1] http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection...