Re:The Government Is Keeping a U.S. Citizen Secretly Locked ...
by anarazel on Thursday November 23, 2017 @06:04PM
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The habeas relief talked about here is not about a criminal prosecution, so your predicate doesn't seem to hold in the first place. Secondly, there's an established protocol for interviewing people detained in a war zone and mirandizing etc (See e.g. the current prosecution of Abu Khattala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Abu_Khattala , who got mirandized only after intelligence interviews etc., by a clean team.). Simplifying you can interview people before mirandizing, you just can't use it in front of court.
FWIW, so far the civil courts have a way higher success ratio than the absurd military courts system. It's not that hard to convict people on the basis of material support charges etc.
Re:The Government Is Keeping a U.S. Citizen Secretly Locked ...
by maxlybbert on Thursday November 23, 2017 @06:49PM
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The earlier comment was a response to someone asking about how criminal laws apply. You’re right that it isn’t necessarily a criminal question, but I think the original commenter was confused, not the person you replied to.
Re:The Government Is Keeping a U.S. Citizen Secretly Locked ...
by anarazel on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:04PM
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I don't think so. Note that tomohawk, who I responded to, is also the originator of this whole thread. And the first post started talking about mirandizing, which is a criminal law concept, no?
Re:The Government Is Keeping a U.S. Citizen Secretly Locked ...
by maxlybbert on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:41PM
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You convinced me.
Re:The Government Is Keeping a U.S. Citizen Secretly Locked ...
by michaelmrose on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:17PM
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It seems extremely likely that most juries would probably convict an ISIS traitor on testimony alone. Actually it seems pretty likely that they would convict a ham sandwich if you put a little ISIS flag on it.
Our constitution was written for times of war and peace. When he stopped being an enemy outside our lines with a gun and started rotting in a prison cell it became a criminal issue.
I'm not concerned with his well being. I'm concerned about setting a precedent that allows people to be detained without proof applying to innocent people.
This isn't a criminal situation. It's a war situation.