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Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by leifaffles on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:25AM (#15766029)
This isn't funny. Not only is CloudFlare's CEO scheming about going after the FCC chairman, but also those who live near him.

This is the second time in recent memory that this guy has been worked up by his political feelings and saw his company as a tool to punish his opponents.

As a CloudFlare user, this worries me. This is childish. Adults don't pull this crap.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by Buttons840 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:40AM (#15766154)
Yeah. There should be a rule against this. /s

Seriously, this is just part of the "innovation" Ajit is promoting. There will be nothing to stop Comcast from throttling sites for political reasons. CloudFlare will not be the only one to shape internet traffic for personal gain.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by leifaffles on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:49AM (#15766217)
"People will do bad things if we don't have net neutrality regulations. Let's show them how it's done by doing bad things ourselves."

In what whacky moral universe is this okay?

Most parents smack this out of their kids by the time they're 4.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by vidarh on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:28PM (#15766530)
I find it quite amazing that you question the morality of a temporary act of political demonstration against the agency responsible for setting rules directly related to the means of that political demonstration, and then suggest that parents should have violently abused their children to get any thoughts of such political demonstrations out of their heads.

Frankly, if my son suggested a means of demonstration as outlined here, I'd reward him for it. If he suggested violence against kids was ok, on the other hand? He'd never hear the end of it.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by ethbro on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:04PM (#15766353)
It's not like the expectation is that his internet will be slowed down forever.

I think it's perfectly fair, if legal under all current laws.

"This is the future you want" doesn't sink in until your kids are bitching every day that YouTube is buffering.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by leifaffles on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:11PM (#15766403)
If activists are willing to intentionally make the world worse to prove a point, then reasonable people start to wonder:

"How much of the problem is real and how much of it is inflicted by activists who are willing to burn down the world in order to 'win'?"

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by Devasta on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:32PM (#15766557)
But most protests make things a bit worse while they are happening, even in relatively benign ways as disrupting traffic. If they don't disrupt the status quo in some way then they are hardly going to be noticed.
Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by Buttons840 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:31PM (#15766553)
Is smacking children a morally good thing? In a vacuum, I'd argue that hitting children is not a good thing, yet we do not live in a vacuum. I have a young daughter, and if she were ever to do something like run into the road I've already decided I would pick her up and smack her good in hopes that it might leave a strong impression on her that she should not run into a busy street. Is smacking a kid in this situation moral? You yourself seem to argue that smacking children is a good thing in certain circumstances.

Considering the wider circumstances of net neutrality and the consequences it will have, especially on the poor and less educated, I don't have any problem morally with Ajit Pai having a brief encounter with the negative consequences his actions will have upon millions.

In general, I don't think there's much to be gained by discussion morals here though, and we shouldn't expect our morals to align exactly.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by dontdothat on Thursday November 23, 2017 @01:40PM (#15767008)
Ugh. A really ugly attempt at straw-persons and lectures on "whacky" moral universes all wrapped up with advocating hitting kids....

Just to make it crystal clear for the morally-challenged: if you "smack something out of" your 1, 2, 3, or 4 year old, the police will be called, CPS will be called, you will go to jail, and you will appear before a judge to explain why you shouldn't lose custody of your own kids.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by splitrocket on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:33AM (#15766103)
What leads you to believe that this would affect anyone other than Ajit Pai?

I think, though, a more effective strategy would be to throttle the entire congressional netblock.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by Bud on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:35AM (#15766111)
As an aside, this would bother me more if the only two opponents he's chosen so far were not:

1) Nazis, generally 2) Forces trying to literally dismantle the Internet as it has been known for decades

These seem like extraordinary enemies against which extraordinary means are justified.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by leifaffles on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:43AM (#15766170)
If you really believed this overly dramatic "extraordinary enemies" and "extraordinary means" rhetoric, you'd be out there staging a defense of civilization instead of writing dumb comments on Hacker News.
Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by intended on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:50AM (#15766228)
Hey just to set the record straight

1) He hosted nazi websites, without action even though it was reprehensible speech.

2) He dumped those clients, when they insinuated that Cloudflare was on their side.

That makes it slander, and insinuation that Cloudflare is a Nazi Sympathiser.

I would expect the CEO of such a firm to do something immediately to take care of his firms share holders and its reputation.

He did just that, and improved its image as a result.

How is that a problem? I would expect all firms to act like that, or be known as Nazi sympathisers.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by leifaffles on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:03PM (#15766347)
I don't think CloudFlare improved its image as a result. We all agree Nazis are bad. No sane person thinks CloudFlare is pro-Nazi.

Here's CEO Matthew Price in his own words:

"Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet."

The reaction at the time was the same as the reaction here: I'm glad this guy's against Nazis, but he picked a very infantile way to show it.

People who run their businesses on CloudFlare get a little uneasy when they see a CEO randomly turning off websites because he "woke up in a bad mood".

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by hitekker on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:15PM (#15766430)
For future commenters: the parent response originally did not say “I'm glad this guy's against Nazis, but he picked a very infantile way to show it.”

And instead said something along the lines of “picked a way to showcase his virtue” without the comment on business owners.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by stephenr on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:24PM (#15766510)
> We all agree Nazis are bad.

The Nazis don't agree.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by Bud on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:29AM (#15766069)
They do when the entire Internet is threatened. At least, I would. Perhaps I'm not an adult?
Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by leifaffles on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:34AM (#15766107)
"entire Internet is threatened"?

The polite term for this is "concept creep".

If the only way you can defend your position is by invoking apocalyptic rhetoric, you might want to pick another hill to die on.

Regardless of your opinions on net neutrality, a roll back to 2015-era regulatory policy is not an extinction-level event. Obviously.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by Bud on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:36AM (#15766119)
I respect your opinion. I disagree.
Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by hitekker on Thursday November 23, 2017 @11:46AM (#15766186)
On the plus side, you got him to reveal his distaste for net nuetrality, veiled in his “concern” over childishness.

And now he’s suggesting violence. Ooph.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by Accacin on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:00PM (#15766323)
> Not only is CloudFlare's CEO scheming about going after the FCC chairman, but also those who live near him.

You got all this information from a one sentence Tweet?

> As a CloudFlare user, this worries me. This is childish. Adults don't pull this crap.

It's a form of peaceful protest. Was it childish when sites blacked themselves out to protest the web piracy bill? Were they abusing their powers too?

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by hitekker on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:09PM (#15766389)
It’s a thinly veiled attack against net nuetrality.

Don’t debate it on its face.

Re:Cloudflare Might Be Exploring a Way to Slow Down Ajit Pai... by stephenr on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:23PM (#15766497)
It's intended to show the FCC Chairman how things might end up if he rolls back Net Neutrality.. The goal is to protect net neutrality by making a point personally with the FCC Chairman.

I don't agree with the tactic, but I think you've misunderstood whats being talked about.