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Re:Britain has abandoned its claim to be the world's fifth l... by geezerjay on Thursday November 23, 2017 @02:54AM (#15763561)
> we're pointing out that the EU is not this bullst idea of 'Europeans coming together in solidarity' it's just a selfish entity, mostly for the benefit of the elites.

But you do agree that's bullshit as well, don't you?

I mean, the EU's goals is to serve the collective best interests of all and every single member-state. Now you're seeing a nation that intentionally placed itself out of that privileged group, and you're complaining that their best interests aren't being considered by everyone else.

I mean, that's like taking up a spa membership to enjoy massages, then deciding to drop the service, and then complaining that the spa is a selfish entity that caters to the elites just because you expected to keep receiving massages after you got your wish of dropping your membership.

Re:Britain has abandoned its claim to be the world's fifth l... by standupstandup on Friday November 24, 2017 @09:09AM (#15771033)
the EU's goals is to serve the collective best interests of all and every single member-state

That's clearly not what it's trying to do right now. For one the UK is still a member state and still paying its dues, but the EU is acting in an extremely hostile way. Unless you reflexively define the best interests of the EU Commission and related institutions as "the best interests of all and every single member state", it is certainly not the case.

Consider: The EU is setting things up such that in just over a year trucks will start to pile up at ports, costs will rise across Europe and the UK, many European firms will be cut off from the financing they receive from London, airplanes will be grounded, Irish politics will destabilise due to the introduction of a hard border and that's really just the beginning. None of this is in the interests of any person in any EU member state at all. And it can all be easily avoided.

Your spa analogy is very badly off by the way. Trade isn't something countries sell like a product itself, despite the EU's attempts to package it that way. Countries that strike free trade deals do not "buy" them, they negotiate and agree to them. Think about neighbours cooperating more than a consumer buying a product.

Re:Britain has abandoned its claim to be the world's fifth l... by Chris2048 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:36AM (#15764193)
> I mean, that's like

No, it isn't. Spa membership doesn't dictate what you cannot do outside the spa. Spas do not collude other competing spas to exclude you from interacting with them.

Re:Britain has abandoned its claim to be the world's fifth l... by geezerjay on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:32AM (#15764597)
That's where you get it wrong. The EU is an association. Every single member agreed to centralised policy stuff because that fits their needs and suits their best interests. One member decided to leave and thus forfeited the privileges available to their members. It's that simple.
Re:Britain has abandoned its claim to be the world's fifth l... by Chris2048 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:40AM (#15764628)
First, you haven't responded to my points which addressed, specifically, your spa analogy.

Second, some privileges are real, and some manufactured to punish outsiders. Prioritization and restrictions on trading with non-EU is an example of this, which addresses the "hypocrisy of protectionism" point.

Finally, "because that fits their needs and suits their best interests" who's interest? Brexit voters? They got one vote premised on an EU promising the moon, and little control or feedback sibce then until the recent Brexit vote.

Re:Britain has abandoned its claim to be the world's fifth l... by mobiletelephone on Thursday November 23, 2017 @03:30AM (#15763708)
The analogy there is poor.