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Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by brad0 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:41PM (#15762375)
This is completely not tech related but I came across a PDF a few months ago called Endgame. I got it when I believed I was having issues with meeting and attracting women.

It kickstarted a series of events that’s completely changed my life. Initially for the worse but in a whole a massive positive.

Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by gonational on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @11:47PM (#15762821)
Could you please tell us about your experience? I’m intrigued (and I think at least a couple others are as well).
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by brad0 on Monday December 04, 2017 @03:41AM (#15842501)
Not sure if anyone is still reading this but here's story time.

I've been someone who's struggled with social anxiety for a long time. Not just with women but I wanted women in my life. I read The Game years ago and understood the book at a very superficial level. That alone got me to attracting some women, but not the women I really wanted. I saw some success doing silly routines and following step by step plans. In hindsight this was the worst thing that could have happened to me. I saw some success and figured I just need to get better at this to get the women I really want.

I did this for a few years and had some crazy experiences but it was never authentic.

Then I met her. I promised myself I wouldn't make a move because we worked together. We were really good friends for a few months. Then she decided that she was going to move overseas.

After that I was stupid one night and made some terrible move on her. Even as I did it I felt terrible inside. She rejected me, just as all the other women I wanted in my life did. What I did was very unattractive and dishonest.

Over the next week there were a number of events that happened. There was a serious physical accident, some crazy conversations and just a general, relaxed atmosphere.

After all of this we started dating. Back then I thought it was because my great moves. Now I realise it was in spite of all that. What she was actually attracted to was what I was doing in the situations in the week after the terrible move I made on her. If those situations hadn't have happened I can guarantee we wouldn't have dated.

She has been by far the best person I've ever had in my life.

Now, because I had a bad interpretation of why she was attracted to me I ended up behaving in ways that sabotaged the relationship. I wasn't the guy she was initially attracted to. I wasn't happy. She deserved better. At this stage I was an anxious wreck with no job, no friends and no future. It wasn't a way to live.

I decided that I needed a future. I ended up throwing everything away and starting over.

Different country.

Different job.

Different path.

No relationship.

We don't talk any more, which is fair. I wasn't the man I should have been.

A couple of months after I left I had no energy to pursue women. I lacked all that drive I used to have to be flirty and smooth. I was lost. Where has that energy gone? So I asked google:

"why don't I want to have sex?"

It came up with a bunch of results talking about women not wanting to have sex with their husbands. Okay, maybe I need to rework the query. Every time it came up with simple stuff like "eat a better diet", "exercise more", etc etc. I'm a reasonably fit guy that cares about what he eats so I KNEW it wasn't any of this pop factoid rubbish.

Then somehow I came across the attraction institute website. One of the blog posts was talking about how the seduction community sucks. The post talked about how it's all superficial and terrible and it prevents guys from growing... Exactly the feelings I'd been having but articulated so well.

The content resonated with me so much I bought the book almost instantly. I remember being engrossed in the book. I did nothing for a whole weekend but read it. Once I finished it and mentally processed it all I had a lot of self realisations. How I was using others around me. Why I was alone.

I got a glimpse of who I really was. I was not a good person.

The more I learned about myself the worse I got. But the worse I felt caused me to want to better myself.

That's what I meant by "Initially for the worse but in a whole a massive positive".

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This might be a bit random but if anyone wants to chat more about this you can send me an email at [email protected].

Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by jmt_ on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:52PM (#15762604)
Endgame by Samuel Beckett?
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by CodeKommissar on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:18AM (#15764542)
Not OP, but the book he is referring is probably Endgame by Leigh Louey Gung aka "Logun", and he was an Australian "pick-up artist" (I don't think he called himself a pick-up artist, but whatever). He wrote some books, did video courses and writed articles in this site: http://attractioninstitute.com/, but I don't think he is active anymore (altough his site is still online).

I would recommend the book. It wasn't just a bit about how to pickup random women on the streets, it was more about why and how to improve yourself so you could get in a state were doing anything that before could cause you pain or anxiety (like approaching a random women in the street just to ask her what time is it), more easy, but that was just a consequence of improving yourself.

Keep in mind that I read the book 3 or 4 years ago, so I wouldn't be capable to say if is still as good as I remember it, but I'd still recommend anyone to read it.

Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by xaedes on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:47AM (#15764656)
Pick-up community got me into personality development. IIRC it is often called "inner game" there, in opposition to the "outer game", which is how to approach women, talk etc. The inner game aspect was very interesting and can be used as a starting point for any personal spiritual development. But you certainly have to look over the edges of the pick-up community.
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by CodeKommissar on Thursday November 23, 2017 @04:12PM (#15767823)
Yeah exactly, the whole book was about improving your "inner game" (your beliefs, your values, etc) so you wouldn't have to worry yourself about the "outer game".

> But you certainly have to look over the edges of the pick-up community.

Agreed, many of the teachings and mentors of the pick-up community can be very shaddy and outright bad for the long-term development of a person.

Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by thisisit on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:45PM (#15762581)
link please?
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by tomjen3 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @12:02PM (#15766338)
There is a place where you can (supposedly) buy it, but it is pricy: http://www.lulu.com/shop/leigh-louey-gung/endgame/ebook/prod...
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by brad0 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @01:50PM (#15767075)
If it costs you $50 and a few days reading a book that could potentially alter the way you fundamentally see the world I think that’s pretty cheap.

If you want something free I can suggest their free goodies page on his site.

http://attractioninstitute.com/free-goodies/

There’s lots of articles on there that gives a feel for the book.

Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by tomjen3 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @04:00PM (#15767754)
If I believed for certain it would chance my life, I wouldn't have written that comment, I would have brought the book and read it then and there.

However there are a lot of great books out there, but they are not really going to chance my life.

Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by CodeKommissar on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:23AM (#15764559)
I couldn't find any online link for the pdf, but I think I still have the book somewhere in my laptop.

I can send it to you as an email if you want.

Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by thisisit on Thursday November 23, 2017 @01:45PM (#15767042)
Is it the ebook linked by the sibling comment? If yes, I downloaded a copy :)
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by CodeKommissar on Thursday November 23, 2017 @04:16PM (#15767848)
Yeah it is the same book :)
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by jollycrow on Thursday November 23, 2017 @01:48PM (#15767068)
hey my email is [email protected], I would appreciate if you can send me the book. Thanks in advance!
Re:Ask HN: Books on specific topics that have applied to man... by CodeKommissar on Thursday November 23, 2017 @04:17PM (#15767864)
Sent!