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Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by bko on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @07:21AM (#15756220)
There are arguments against net neutrality. Check out the NoNetNeutrality subreddit if you're curious [0].

The most convincing argument IMO is that it hurts people's internet access by sniffling innovation. It happened in India when Facebook tried to provide free "basic internet" access to poor rural Indians [1]. It was blocked on the ground of net neutrality since although it would provide access to very useful sites (weather, news, wikipedia, and yes, facebook), it was a sort of walled garden. Considering the alternative of no internet access or limited internet access, I think most people would agree that basic internet could have been a life saver to these people.

The other strong argument against net neutrality is that it's a trojan horse for internet regulation. When you have a legal framework for a regulatory body to tell and ISP you have to provide equal aaccess to "legitimate" content, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to consider that the natural extension of this is to tell the ISP they must block all "illegitimate" content

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/NoNetNeutrality/

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Basics

Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by goda90 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:18AM (#15756913)
The counter to free basics is why didn't Facebook just provide free full internet with heavy branding and advertising to encourage Facebook use? Did they have some Indian competitor they were scared of? I have a hard time seeing how it would be that much more expensive.
Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by bluGill on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:07AM (#15757267)
Facebook branding on their internet would be against net neutrality: facebook would then be changing other websites.
Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by thomastjeffery on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:59PM (#15760581)
I think they mean heavy branding in person to customers.
Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by bko on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:30AM (#15757491)
One can argue that sure full access would be better, but one shouldn’t let good be the enemy of perfect. The fact is it wasn’t free open access or walled garden. It was walled garden or nothing. Facebook can’t be forced to provide free open access
Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by leadingthenet on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:04AM (#15756811)
No, I don’t agree. It’s great that it failed.
Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by 52-6F-62 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @10:44AM (#15757631)
I agree. The first thing I did when I heard about the limitations was question Facebook's intentions there.

I think their walled-garden approach, if it received an overwhelmingly positive or at least unquestioned reception, would have set an even more dangerous precedent.

Governments don't (AFAIK) set up internet services as social welfare for the poor in other countries. Facebook doesn't have any borders. Unless they're actively told to keep their rabid growth in check, they will just keep going.

Nothing directly against Facebook here, but I definitely think it's better that the poor and uneducated throughout the world are not normalized into a Facebook(TM) world of knowledge. We've seen what's happened with a much milder and more open situation in the United States (and elsewhere) quite recently.

Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by hobarrera on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @12:12PM (#15758429)
That argument is really sound. In India. It doesn't really apply in developed countries where internet access is already present (or accessible to the majority).
Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by thomastjeffery on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @04:38PM (#15760899)
> That argument is really sound. In India.

I disagree. The argument isn't sound anywhere.

For an ISP to limit its users to a subset of the internet causes several problems:

1. It forces users to use one set of services. That means a user with Facebook-only internet has no hope of avoiding Facebook and its abhorrent data-collection.

2. It prevents competition. Google+ would be unable to compete, since it does not exist on Facebook internet.

3. It stifles free software. The vast majority of free software projects have little to no budget. If they must pay for competitive bandwidth, they face an uphill battle against proprietary products produced by wealthy corporations.

4. It favors centralized networking. If all of your users are constrained to a subset of the web, that likely means they cannot connect directly to each other. This totally rules out mesh networking, bittorrent, private voip, etc. On a non-neutral web, users will be constrained in their ability to run there own servers. This is already a problem with many ISPs disallowing public IP addresses.

Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by bko on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:04PM (#15759484)
For reference

> Key findings include the following: 10 percent of all Americans (34 million people) lack access to 25 Mbps/3 Mbps service. 39 percent of rural Americans (23 million people) lack access to 25 Mbps/3 Mbps. By contrast, only 4 percent of urban Americans lack access to 25 Mbps/3 Mbps broadband.

Majority do have broadband access but it’s still a problem for some

https://www.fcc.gov/reports-research/reports/broadband-progr...