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Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by propman on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:03AM (#15754901)
This is all very confusing for me. Obviously I understand the NN arguments and I accept the Ajit Pai arguments though I think it's very naive to think that investments in infrastructure would be made without other significant incentives, all which seem unlikely to occur.

My question is about 2015. Did we have NN before 2015? What changed then and how would it differ from before? I was always under the assumption we had NN.

Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by neuterlize on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:11AM (#15754934)
Yes, we had NN before 2015. It was the default state and how the Internet was originally built.

We used to have competition for Internet services (dialup and DSL), now we don't (most people access the Internet through cable which is a monopoly).

The reason why we are losing NN now is because it's become feasible from a technical and business perspective to violate NN.

Pai's arguments are pure unadulterated bullshit. Abolishing NN will not increase investments or create competition. CEOs are on record that NN will not impact business or investments.

Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by phaus on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:19AM (#15754962)
>We used to have competition for Internet services (dialup and DSL), now we don't (most people access the Internet through cable which is a monopoly).

Calling Dial-Up and DSL "competition" is downplaying how shitty things were even in 2015. They are technically competition, but effectively and practically they aren't because the modern web doesn't even work with dial-up and in the many places stuck with the low-end of DSL it is next to worthless too.

Re:Join the Battle for Net Neutrality by IshKebab on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:48AM (#15755339)
I think he meant competition between different dialup providers, and different DSL providers.