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Re:Tether Critical Announcement by panarky on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:08AM (#15745997)
Oh this is great news for Bitcoin

If the price of Bitcoin has been inflated by 600 million USD that doesn't really exist, then when this unwinds it will be bad news for Bitcoin.

Re:Tether Critical Announcement by ThrustVectoring on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:17AM (#15746265)
Depends on the way it unwinds. If it's through selling BTC to cover Tether redemptions, sure, that'd be bad for cryptocurrency prices. I have a feeling that it'll unwind like Mt. Gox, though - people who accepted Tethers or put deposits into Bitfinex wind up holding the bag when the fake money goes "poof".
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by runeks on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:18AM (#15746519)
You’re talking about two different markets. A Tether-USD is not the same as a USD. If anything, the fact that the irredeemable USDT even has value is a sign of the insanity playing out in the cryptocurrency market. A token worth 1 dollar but not really worth 1 dollar makes no sense at all.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by jerkstate on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:55AM (#15746182)
that's about 0.6% of the market cap of bitcoin
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by jack_pp on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:04AM (#15746225)
"market cap" is a very bad representation of the overall value which is impossible to actually estimate. try selling 600 million worth of btc and see how that cap changes.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by cloakandswagger on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:15AM (#15746259)
Dump large amounts of ANY asset and it will crash. It's only crypto that gets accused of having a "fake" market cap though.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by standupstandup on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:56AM (#15746865)
It's only crypto that uses the term "market cap" to mean "outstanding crypto-tokens * price". That isn't what the term means in conventional finance. It's normally applied to shares.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by mrb on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:11AM (#15746478)
5 BILLION dollars worth of bitcoins are sold every day. The trading volume is higher and the orderbooks are deeper than you think...
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by ActsJuvenile on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:16AM (#15746740)
Google "Wash Trading"
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by mrb on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:28AM (#15746772)
Doesn't work in crypto markets. Taker fees are typically > 0.20%, with the notable exception of BitMex.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by joosters on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:59AM (#15747087)
There is plenty of evidence of wash trading occurring on Bitfinex and other exchanges - there are also many accusations that the exchanges themselves wash trade, to pump up their own volumes. They don't need to pay their own fees!
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by mrb on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @01:44PM (#15750425)
Taker fees are 0.1-0.2% on Bitfinex. Wash trading would be too expensive.

Where is the evidence the exchange itself is doing it?

Re:Tether Critical Announcement by 55555 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:59AM (#15746880)
Those who are downvoting the parent, please explain why? He is correct. Is the assumption here that the exchanges themselves are wash trading and not charging themselves fees? Seems possible. But otherwise wash trading is very expensive due to the maker/taker fees.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by ActsJuvenile on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:17PM (#15753671)
Taker fees are significantly discounted for higher volume traders, because they bring smaller traders to an exchange. I know two mid-sized whales who have almost 0% rate as long as they trade certain number of BTC a month.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by reefoctopus on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:24AM (#15747163)
Korean exchanges are 0 fee.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by mrb on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:22PM (#15753700)
Koreans account only for ~7% of the 5 billion USD/day.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by amarkov on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:58AM (#15746875)
Where are you getting this number from?
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by mrb on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @05:29AM (#15746989)
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by amarkov on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:04AM (#15747107)
This includes a lot of crypto-crypto volume. Just in the top ten, there's $168m Bitcoin Gold, $145m of Bitcoin Cash, $95m of something called "PowerLedger" that I'm hearing of now for the first time, and $84m of Neo.

Is this real trading activity, or is it people discovering that there's no feasible way to trade USD directly for the meme coin du jour?

Re:Tether Critical Announcement by bufferoverflow on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:01AM (#15746212)
You can't compare money and market cap directly. Millions of dollars can move the market cap by billions. It's because the books on exchanges are relatively thin.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by barrkel on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:03AM (#15746218)
Price is set by marginal transactions, not the amount of money converted over time.
Re:Tether Critical Announcement by dlp211 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:01AM (#15746210)
And a whole lot of trust.