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Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by taurath on Sunday November 19, 2017 @10:41PM (#15737598)
I honestly don't either. It feels like everything we do costs 10x anywhere else for 10x the time. You would think the cost of building a few light rail lines in a city like Seattle would cost less than a cross-town subway in Japan. In my short life I've never seen America really build anything impressive in transportation - BART, the NYC Subway, the interstate highway system, and most of our airports seem like they were all built from the 40s to the 70s (and some earlier than that).
Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by magila on Monday November 20, 2017 @12:04AM (#15737918)
I think it has a lot to do with the way government in the US is structured, specifically the focus on local representatives. Because US legislators are beholden to voters in a particular locality, any time there's an infrastructure project which receives state and/or federal funding there is tremendous pressure to make it draw as much money as possible into the local economy. This is the classic "bringing home the bacon" which is expected of pretty much every US politician. This has increasingly become accepted as the norm in the US, despite occasional lip service from politicians. The truth is they are all too happy to accept spending lavishly on local projects, as long as it benefits members of their party.

Other developed countries tend to have parliamentary systems where policy making requires multi-party coalitions. When you need to get three or more parties on board there is less opportunity to get park-barrel spending passed without _someone_ crying foul.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by chimeracoder on Monday November 20, 2017 @05:45AM (#15739047)
> I think it has a lot to do with the way government in the US is structured, specifically the focus on local representatives. Because US legislators are beholden to voters in a particular locality, any time there's an infrastructure project which receives state and/or federal funding there is tremendous pressure to make it draw as much money as possible into the local economy.

You're describing the rest of the US, not New York. New York is the other way around, where extreme corruption and disenfranchisement means elected officials have no reason to pay attention to their constituents. Sheldon Silver was one of the strongest advocates for cutting bus service, even though his district has no subway service, so they all depend on it.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by John23832 on Monday November 20, 2017 @12:45PM (#15741666)
The reduction of pork barrel politics took away the carrot... we no realize that we have no stick.
Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by blahedo on Sunday November 19, 2017 @11:19PM (#15737763)
The DC metro was mostly built in the 80s and 90s (early construction started in the 70s), and the Portland MAX started construction in the mid 80s and has been expanding regularly since then. Atlanta's MARTA rail network was built mostly in the 80s. There are examples if you look for them, though I'm not sure what all counts as "impressive" here.

Outside of city subways: Amtrak's Acela service (which is what passes for "high-speed" though I understand this is weak in comparison to Europe and Japan) was built and established in the early 2000s, and boosted Amtrak's share of the air/train travel on the NYC-DC corridor from 37% to 75%. Boston's Big Dig project, which for all its faults was certainly impressive, spanned a couple decades and was finished around 2004 or so.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by tialaramex on Monday November 20, 2017 @05:06AM (#15738906)
Acela is technically capable of speeds that would be considered "high speed" for a legacy system (which is what this is, it's not like they could tear out New York city and build fresh then put it all back) of over 150mph. Unfortunately lack of investment means it doesn't achieve what is possible along most of the route.

Two main things you'd do if you had money and political will to speed this up:

1. Tear out old bridges (some have been "urgently in need of replacement" for a decade already) and replace with modern ones. Locals like how the old bridge looks? Great, hand over the money for a new one that looks the same. No money? You get a generic reinforced concrete bridge rated for 120mph and suck it up. This can be done in 24 hours per bridge for a short bridge, shut the railway, smash the old bridge, drop the new one in, test it, re-open the railway. If you have the manpower you can do ten bridges at once.

2. Eliminate at-grade crossings. These are unsafe even for lower speeds, they're lethal for High Speed Rail and must be closed. If practical add a bridge or tunnel. If not, too bad, close them anyway and people have to go round.

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by Symbiote on Monday November 20, 2017 @06:27AM (#15739199)
> it's not like they could tear out New York city and build fresh then put it all back

Several large cities in Europe have built new high speed tracks in tunnels under the city.

The track between London St Pancras and Stratford stations in London (and from Stratford further east) is an example. St Pancras is the end of the line, so the speed is necessarily limited by the acceleration and braking capability of the train, but [1] says the speed is 230km/h = 142mph. [2] says speeds in tunnels are limited to 270km/h (168mph), they probably mean a bit further out of the city.

Other than the last 1km or so, the whole track of this route is new.

Realistically, any city worth spending so much money on will have every train stopping at it, so there's no need for higher speeds in under-city tunnels.

[1] https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/hs1-maximum-permitted-s...

[2] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/6969116.stm

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by eric-hu on Monday November 20, 2017 @07:39AM (#15739469)
> which is what this is, it's not like they could tear out New York city and build fresh then put it all back

I don't understand why not? Japan's high speed rail was added into multiple major cities without tearing up the whole city. What did they do that can't be done in the US?

Re:How Politics and Bad Decisions Starved New York’s Subways by dzhiurgis on Monday November 20, 2017 @04:33AM (#15738796)
Perhaps the litigious nature of US? Everything has to be over-planned, over-provisioned and triple checked with lawyers in case there is a kitten on the rail.