Re:Ask HN: What tech were you convinced would take the world...
by bitwize on Friday November 17, 2017 @08:41AM
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You're confusing throughput with latency. Those old systems were objectively more responsive because the keyboard and mouse were tied directly to high-priority IRQs which were serviced in the OS. Now we have USB keyboards and mice, which go on the same IRQ lines as every other USB device, and even if the OS could service them specially, it doesn't. So keyboard and mouse events go on a queue of things to do: disk accesses, network packets, etc. And the whole system feels slower because of the time lag between you sending a command to the machine via kb or mouse, and the machine actually receiving it.
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Re:Ask HN: What tech were you convinced would take the world...
by barbs on Friday November 17, 2017 @09:02AM
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Oh come on, there's no way you can tell the difference in latency between a mouse of that era and a USB mouse today. Surely there's enough demand in the e-sports scene to lower input latency as much as possible?
Re:Ask HN: What tech were you convinced would take the world...
by teddyh on Friday November 17, 2017 @09:53AM
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It’s not that mouse pointers today are normally laggy; they aren’t, as you correctly say. But when a modern system is very busy, it’s normal for the keyboard and mouse input to lag too, but that wasn’t normally the case with older systems, since human input peripherals were typically given their own special higher priority interrupts or whatever.
This was of course done because the systems back then were so slow that they would be in danger of regularly dropping key presses or clicks otherwise, which would have turned people off these newfangled electronic typewriters. But the result was that the interactive experience with respect to latency was given great importance in the design of those systems, unlike today, when it is taken for granted that people will accept whatever laggy system they are given, and will just be directed towards a CPU upgrade if they complain about it.
Re:Ask HN: What tech were you convinced would take the world...
by baldfat on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:03AM
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Anything that is above a netbook or a sub $500 laptop doesn't lag and today's computers and phone are spoiling us. I have a 8 year old netbook and I run a minimal Linux install with a tiled window manager and it is quick. I also have an i5 Sandy-bridge desktop and I also work with a tiled window manager because I prefer it, but my wife has Windows 10 on the same computer and it is spot on and that is 6 years old. My video work station is blazing fast and it never lags on anything except chugging through 4K/8K video renders.
Re:Ask HN: What tech were you convinced would take the world...
by hyperpape on Friday November 17, 2017 @09:56AM
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Wouldn't count on it: https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/
Re:Ask HN: What tech were you convinced would take the world...
by yangyang on Friday November 17, 2017 @09:56AM
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I found this post about latency of input devices very interesting: https://danluu.com/keyboard-latency/
Re:Ask HN: What tech were you convinced would take the world...
by retrogradeorbit on Friday November 17, 2017 @11:31AM
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Have you actually used a computer from that era for any significant amount of time?