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Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by ABCLAW on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:03PM (#15717098)
>In his remarks Thursday, Pai said it was “utter nonsense” that his agency's decisions on media ownership would lead to a company dominating local media markets by buying up newspapers and radio stations.

>“It will open the door to pro-competitive combinations that will strengthen local voices,” he said, and “better serve local communities.”

How?

I'm not quite sure how the combination of a more consolidated industry and the removal of local studios results in stronger local voices.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by redler on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:25PM (#15717630)
The use of words and phrases like "utter nonsense", or "absurd", or "it's offensive to even suggest..." is rampant in Trump administration officials' hyper-defensive interactions with the public -- especially if there's even the slightest adversarial questioning of policy elements on merit. It's like some sort of winking signal that rational discourse is no longer to be tolerated. I don't know if this is somehow coordinated, these administrators all have chips on their shoulders, or they're simply following the model.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by forapurpose on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:42PM (#15717727)
I think it's an important point, but I think it extends far beyond and predates the Trump administration.

It happens all over the political spectrum to a degree, but the GOP and its supporters have really embraced it and have been using that kind of rhetoric for a long time (and it's worked very well for them in terms of framing and dominating debate): Consider talk radio, such as Limbaugh, which goes back to the 1980s or early 90s; Fox News hosts, such as O'Reilly and Hannity; and the Wall St Journal opinion pages. Look at the rhetoric used by Cheney and Rumsfeld in the Bush administration, or, for a specific example, the GOP congressman who yelled 'you lie' during an Obama State of the Union speech. Over-the-top, hyper-aggressive attacks on the other side is their common rhetorical tactic; they are demonstrations of aggression, for their supporters and for anyone who might disagree. (That's not meant to be partisan; I believe those are the facts and it would be false to say the politically correct thing, 'everyone does it equally':)

It's much broader than politics too. It's in reality TV, but by far the biggest example is Internet discussion boards. It's a continuing problem on HN, though my impression is that it's improved significantly here (thank goodness!). Certainly that predates Trump!

It's an obvious tactic in an argument: Act so aggressively and angrily that the other side is intimidated, and at worst no serious discussion is possible. It ends the discussion.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by cpeterso on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:52PM (#15718362)
Consider The Onion's 2013 Point/Counterpoint article on the Iraq War:

* Point: This War Will Destabilize The Entire Mideast Region And Set Off A Global Shockwave Of Anti-Americanism

* Counterpoint: No it won't. It just won't. None of that will happen. You're getting worked up over nothing. Everything is going to be fine. So just relax, okay? You're really overreacting.

https://www.theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entir...

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by hexane360 on Friday November 17, 2017 @12:16AM (#15719139)
That article was from 2003, not 2013.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by pwtweet on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:52PM (#15718365)
I think you just summed up the political plan laid by Newt Gingrich in the 1980's when he brought the religious movements into the GOP and executed his 'Contract with America'. It was a plan of domination by all means necessary.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by JBlue42 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:40PM (#15718316)
Back to basics and primate dominance behavior?
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by anigbrowl on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:52PM (#15717788)
While I have exactly zero theoretical or empirical foundation for this, I've found that Kubler-Ross' 5 stages of grief model (denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance) works really well as a conversational compass in adversarial interactions.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by 762236 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @09:54PM (#15718562)
Duterte just said something of the same formula to Trudeau when Trudeau brought up Duterte's human rights violations.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by EGreg on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:33PM (#15717672)
Trump handpicked these people to dismantle the Federal government's executive branch, and his base things it's gotten too strong. To them, regulations are overall an example of the problem.

Tax reform - less taxes

EPA - hired a guy who fought the EPA, authorized keystone pipeline immediately.

Betsy Devoss - privatizing stuff and slashing budgets

HUD - Ben Carson, neurosurgeon

Department of Energy - Rick Perry who didn't know what it does and wanted to close it, who isn't a scientist

And of course Ajit Pai, probably the best example of rollback of progress.

Jeff Sessions disappointed Trump when he recused himself.

You gotta understand... Trump's a fiscal conservative's dream. Short of Ron Paul no conservative would have the guts to sabotage the executive branch with crazy directors as much as Trump.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by toomanybeersies on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:33PM (#15718031)
An alternative explanation is that Trump is making his best effort to bring back the spoils system: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoils_system
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by oceanswave on Friday November 17, 2017 @06:33AM (#15721123)
A fiscal conservative’s worst nightmare you mean - slashing programs to fund bigger military, rich people initiatives and boondoggles. none of the policies enacted r dudes the size or spend of government, it just redirects it to benefit the elite ruling class.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by rayiner on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:06PM (#15717870)
Pai was nominated by Obama, and confirmed unanimously by the Senate.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by tacomonstrous on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:11PM (#15717897)
While true, this is not the full story. As I'm sure you know, the FCC is split between Republican and Democratic nominations by design, and Pai was nominated as the Republican option. It was Trump who appointed him as Chair, thus giving him the authority to carry out his (de)regulatory agenda.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by rayiner on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:39PM (#15718070)
Right, but Obama still picked him out of the universe of republicans. It’s not like the RNC told Obama who to nominate. Lumping him together with Betsy DeVoss is a misleading attempt to paint him as outside the mainstream. Yes, he’s pro-deregulation, but hardly to an unusual degree. The whole developed world is in a two-decade trend of liberalizing their telecom markets. The EU, for example, doesn’t have any media ownership rules similar to the FCC’s, not do member countries like Sweden. Many countries have nothing like our ponderous (about $8 billion per year) universal service fund. To pick random examples: Sweden got rid of its universal service fund in the 2000s, Germany in theory has one but it’s never been invoked, and Denmark never extended it to broadband (like Obama did here).
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by Nicksil on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:13PM (#15717915)
Ajit Pai was appointed to the commission (as a member) by President Obama, and confirmed in 2012.

President Trump placed Ajit Pai as Chairman in 2017.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by wyager on Thursday November 16, 2017 @09:06PM (#15718411)
Attempting to rhetorically preclude logical discussion is not even remotely new in politics.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by elefanten on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:04PM (#15718588)
GP said it's rampant among a particular group of people, not that it's new.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by ChuckMcM on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:27PM (#15717264)
It isn't of course. And one only has go back and read the history of the National Broadcasting Company (NBC)[1] where it was sued by other voices trying to break into a market dominated by a single media company.

Oddly enough it is exactly like Google in a way, the ability to sustain a network depends on the ability to sell advertising which depends on viewership for pricing. And being unable to get viewership denies an ability to exist through advertising. So having a monopoly on advertising makes you the defacto monopoly on the viewership because it denies capital to a competitor to develop additional viewership.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBC

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by fancyfacebook on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:18PM (#15717208)
Is "pro competitive combination" the new nonsense phrase everyone is going to start repeating? The people who come up with these things sure do have a sense of humor.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by Delmania on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:31PM (#15717293)
It won't; this move was done to benefit a media company known as Sinclair. This company has a decidedly pro-Trump stance, and they require the local stations they control to air pro-Trump commentary.

Make no mistake this is a political move, and one that is right out of a fascist/authoritarian playbook.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by RIMR on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:29PM (#15717650)
Here's a sample of some of the propaganda Sinclair requires its stations to broadcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xu6uKOS3S2E

Seattle's KOMO news crams all of these ridiculous political segments (including Clinton smear-pieces and other alt-right recruitment videos) into their 2-4am slots just to keep too many viewers from seeing them.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by losteric on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:14PM (#15718218)
I often wonder why they don't air these videos at peak hour, prefixed with a "you're about to see some bullshit - call your representatives" warning. It's better to fight this kind of public enemy on an open field.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by wyldfire on Thursday November 16, 2017 @09:11PM (#15718426)
I guess it's nice to think about, but that would be insubordinate to their management/ownership. Individuals who execute plans like that lose out big time and get quickly replaced.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by wyldfire on Thursday November 16, 2017 @09:09PM (#15718420)
The Sinclair move to dominate airwaves and include media-agenda-framed-as-individual-opinion-pieces on TV news is very concerning to me. It's disappointing that this rule change will only help them continue their domination.

But I wonder if this might incidentally happen to be the right move for the government to make? The flow of information and news is very different today from the landscape that existed in the 1970s. Maybe letting investment flow into some of these businesses makes sense.

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Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by sctb on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:55PM (#15718138)
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Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by gech on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:45PM (#15717744)
100% he says
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by ProAm on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:21PM (#15717225)
> I'm not quite sure how the combination of a more consolidated industry and the removal of local studios results in stronger local voices.

Hearing once voice will be more clear and therefore stronger.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by jacquesm on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:05PM (#15717109)
That's the same kind of thing companies will say when they remove a bunch of features and drop a product: it is to better serve you, the customer. Never mind that it is complete nonsense.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by hexane360 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:20PM (#15717952)
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We appreciate the candid feedback, and the passion the community has put forth around the current topics here on Reddit, our forums and across numerous social media outlets.

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Quote from EA when asked why heroes took ridiculous playtime to unlock, skippable with microtransactions, for a $60 game.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by amptorn on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:08PM (#15717134)
"No, see, us making more money always makes it possible for us to serve you better."

And do you serve us better?

"Oh no. God, no."

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by colejohnson66 on Friday November 17, 2017 @06:50AM (#15721229)
> "No, see, us making more money always makes it possible for us to serve you better."

The key word there is “possible”. Money makes it possible to better serve you. They just choose not to.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by EGreg on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:30PM (#15717654)
It's just rhetoric, no one including the speaker actually believes it.

"What we are doing will lead to more...

Freedom

Access

Competition

Quality"

Regardless of the logical content of the argument.

It's done on the Left as well, but Pai is especially egregious in his lack of steps of reasoning.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by ksk on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:44PM (#15717388)
It seems like one of the provisions was blocking local stations from jointly negotiating on advertising. I don't know if makes sense to limit broadcast media this way. Google is allowed to buy properties in different markets (search/youtube/mobile/news) to consolidate their position. I suppose now the non-internet media can compete with Google on advertising by consolidating.

Anyway, this is just my take after a cursory glance. Happy to listen to other viewpoints.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by GiraffeGlove on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:04PM (#15718178)
> I'm not quite sure how the combination of a more consolidated industry and the removal of local studios results in stronger local voices.

It literally does the opposite

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by rayiner on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:33PM (#15717311)
Note the new rules only permit one entity to own two of the top four stations in a market, addressing the only real consolidation concern (that the natural scarcity of radio channels would allow natural radio monopolies to form).

But as far as I can tell, there is nothing about newspapers that makes them a natural monopoly. Why should anyone regulate combinations in that area?

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by wfo on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:49PM (#15717429)
>But as far as I can tell, there is nothing about newspapers that makes them a natural monopoly. Why should anyone regulate combinations in that area?

Very, very few regulations are designed with the sole purpose of dealing with natural monopoly. Most are there to prevent some monstrous or dystopian consequence of unfettered capitalism that we as a society have decided is undesirable.

Having a tiny group of wealthy oligarchs own all media, press, acceptable thought in an area is one of those horrifying dystopian consequences that we apply these regulations to prevent.

Be careful any time you see an analysis of media consolidation that ignores the reality on the ground -- the media's unique ability to define and shape public opinion. Such an analysis is either so purely academic as to be not relevant to any actual political or social discussion, hopelessly naive or, worse, willfully ignorant in service of a particular ideology.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by rayiner on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:09PM (#15717550)
> Most are there to prevent some monstrous or dystopian consequence of unfettered capitalism that we as a society have decided is undesirable.

When regulations aren’t designed to address identifiable market failure modes, like for example a natural monopoly or negative externality, they’re usually driven by vague public interest handwaving. Economic theory is hardly infallible, but it’s a lot better of a basis for law than that.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by wfo on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:00AM (#15748239)
The public interest is not handwaving, it is the entire purpose of govermnent. Under your definition laws banning slavery for example are "public interest handwaving".
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by forapurpose on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:47PM (#15717755)
> there is nothing about newspapers that makes them a natural monopoly

While I can't provide theory, in practice they certainly are. Every city has one or two papers of any significance; it's hard to name a new major newspaper that started in the last 50 years. In many places, the leading papers have combined for economic survival, but kept their editorial pages separate, for diversity of voices.

Maybe it's due to high barriers to entry? You need a printing press, distribution, and a reputation for reliability - the last probably being a newspaper's most valuable, irreplaceable asset.

The Internet provides more competition and lower barriers to entry, but I'll bet the leading Internet news source almost every town is the local newspaper(s).

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by saalweachter on Thursday November 16, 2017 @11:48PM (#15719006)
Economy of scale (or rather, too small a scale to be economical) is almost certainly the problem.

Producing a newspaper of a certain number of pages of a certain quality requires the same amount of work, regardless of whether it is read by 10 people or 10 million, but your revenue will be proportional to readership; you have a small per-reader additional cost, to print or provide bandwidth, but it's largely a fixed cost, to research and write the articles.

I'm not sure how the internet helps or hurts. It will help in that you can start smaller on the internet, with a one or two person operation publishing infrequently, but when you try to scale up you'll run headlong into the "people don't pay for news online" problem.

In any case, if you want to run a "real" newspaper, you need a certain minimum number of subscribers to be viable, to hire enough people to research enough articles to provide enough information each day to really be considered a "newspaper". This, in turn, is where you could imagine unfair competition from monopolies. First, your larger newspapers will be able to undercut you, producing better news articles at lower cost per reader, if they have more readers. Second, a large enough conglomerate of regional newspapers can afford to run some at a loss. There are only so many available subscribers, and if you can deny your competitors enough to be viable, they'll also be running at a loss, and your deeper pockets will let you wait them out.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by jack9 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:38PM (#15718065)
OC Weekly (orange county, CA) and a host of other zines got plenty of traction in the last 50 years that catapulted them into a stable marketshare.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by Clubber on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:06PM (#15717868)
>But as far as I can tell, there is nothing about newspapers that makes them a natural monopoly. Why should anyone regulate combinations in that area?

Not yet, but as local newspapers continue to lose readership to the internet, the will start consolidating and/or failing. After say 20 years of this, there will be only the big online national papers, NYT, WaPo and some others that serve a large niche. There will always be room for the smaller niche papers though.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by grapeshot on Friday November 17, 2017 @05:17AM (#15720725)
The other two can be owned by the Educational Media Foundation, and all the programming can be sent in by satellite now that broadcasters no longer have to have a local presence.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by corndoge on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:15PM (#15717582)
Never forget Clear Channel
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by jack9 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:38PM (#15718067)
Now called I Heart Radio, iirc
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by jsmthrowaway on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:41PM (#15718322)
Turns out that’s surprisingly complex. I was just going to clarify that iHeartMedia is the real answer, but: Clear Channel Communications as we know it became iHeartCommunications, wholly held by iHeartMedia, Inc., which is apparently distinct from the iHeartMedia division of iHeartMedia, Inc. That division operates iHeartRadio as a brand, I’m pretty sure, and inherited the Clear Channel IP and production-side stuff. I think a lot of the actual transmitter assets and licenses were held by CCC (or maybe CCB?), but the buyout that took them private meant they lost their FCC special treatment and had to park a bunch of stations on entities like Aloha until someone bought them. Which is about as slow a market as you’d expect a decade later:

http://streamingradioguide.com/licensee-list.php?showall=on&...

I’ve read the Wikipedia page a couple times now and still haven’t reverse engineered that labyrinth. Don’t read about mass media ownership in large doses; you’re likely to stroke out.

Given the Bain buyout and associated debt has spun iHeartMedia firmly around the drain for years, it’s a bit amusing to see Pai soften up the very regulations that made it a complicated deal in the first place. Sinclair 1, Clear Channel 0.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by bcoates on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:09PM (#15717885)
Traditional local media (broadcast radio, newspaper, broadcast TV) are oversupplied and under severe economic/competitive pressure; there needs to be less of them which means consolidation and winding down marginal operations.

It's kind of unreasonable for regulators to be too harsh on consolidation in a shrinking market, what else are they going to do to survive?

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by heroprotagonist on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:11PM (#15717898)
Broadcast for free online to increase their ad buys?
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by colordrops on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:12PM (#15717576)
Just Orwellian doublespeak.
Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by nicolashahn on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:41PM (#15717363)
war is peace

freedom is slavery

ignorance is strength

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by 1_2__4 on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:53PM (#15717448)
Remember that you can pretty much bank on:

. When a Republican politician accuses someone else of something, they're doing it themselves.

. When a Republican politician makes a claim on controversial legislation, the opposite of that claim is the truth.

You can claim this is partisan grumbling, or you can pay attention and realize this is far more true than anyone would want to believe.

Re:The FCC has repealed a 42-year-old rule blocking broadcas... by oarsinsync on Thursday November 16, 2017 @06:08PM (#15717543)
Remember that you can pretty much bank on: . When a politician accuses someone else of something, they're doing it themselves. . When a politician makes a claim on controversial legislation, the opposite of that claim is the truth.

Fixed that for you.