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Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by babuskov on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:59AM (#15711191)
> you can search Arch

Isn't Arch specifically for users who don't mind things breaking and going deep into internals to fix it?

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by smcl on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:18AM (#15711280)
Correct but that has caused their wiki to be one of the better places to find out how to setup and configure services, hardware, etc even if you have to do a little tweaking to the instructions for your own distribution
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by erikbye on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:14AM (#15713229)
I think it's well-suited to anyone who despises bloat. To anyone who wants to run a resource-efficient and performant system with just the parts they need. And honestly, most users will never need to dig deep. Most users will only, occasionally, need to follow a few steps on the well-explained Wiki.

More of my thoughts on Arch:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15246521

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15246781

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by suby on Thursday November 16, 2017 @11:57AM (#15714250)
I tried arch out in 2016. Over a period of two weeks, 3 separate updates broke one thing or another.

In my 4 years using mint / ubuntu, an update broke my machine once, and that was when the power went out during an update.

Arch apparently works great for a lot of people, but I'd urge caution.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by erikbye on Thursday November 16, 2017 @12:43PM (#15714703)
Did it break in an unrecoverable way, or was it just an inconvenience?

Arch is a rolling release that many choose to update daily, or on a fixed schedule, like once a week. That updates sometimes can break a thing or two, out of hundreds of updates, is to be expected. If that sounds scary to you, Arch is certainly not for you. That said, it has rarely happened to me, and any breakage is usually minor and easily fixed. It's not like you have to even figure out how; it's laid out for you on the Wiki, Forum or Arch's homepage. My experience with other distros has been far more troubling, except Slackware. Arch's strengths easily outweigh occasional inconveniences. Not having to deal with anything Ubuntu or Canonical is a great bonus.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by mcgrath_sh on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:00PM (#15716570)
I originally went Slackware when diving into Linux. Manual dependency resolution was just a step too far. Installing Calibre became a nightmare. I turned to Arch and have been very happy. I simply don’t have the time to properly maintain a Slackware box. I do really like it though.
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by erikbye on Friday November 17, 2017 @08:00AM (#15721608)
I hear you regarding time... If I didn't regularly try out new software it could still be a viable choice, but now I enjoy the ease of Arch's ecosystem. I guess a lot of people who still use Slack does a full install and have few needs beyond those packages.
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by mcgrath_sh on Thursday November 16, 2017 @03:48PM (#15716475)
My admittedly anecdotal counter to that... With “begintermeditate” Linux experience, I spun up Arch on a machine with an AMD processor/mobo and dirt cheap graphics card to act as a server in February 2017. I system update when I remember (every 1-4 weeks). I haven’t had anything break. Admittedly, I containerize nearly everything (Plex, Calibre server, bittorrent clients, etc) out of pure laziness and do very little outside that on the machine. It has been incredily low maintenance, and has been wonderful. I’d highly recommend.
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by jorgemf on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:25AM (#15711303)
Incorrect, I break arch less times than Ubuntu and I use it daily while I use Ubuntu casually
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by majewsky on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:35AM (#15711348)
Arch's KISS attitude is really helpful for that. Whenever I have to deal with a Debian/Ubuntu system, I'm sort of weary of "apt install"ing any daemons because of the autoconfigure magic that's going on in dpkg.

With Arch, installing a package just unpacks the package files and runs a few innocuous post-install hooks, mostly to rebuild indexes (mandb, fontconfig, etc.) and compile DKMS-based kernel modules. But nothing potentially destructive like `systemctl start postfix`.

Also, it installs exactly what you want, instead of dozens of tangentially-related "suggested packages". If you `apt install rsyslog`, it pulls in an entire MTA because somewhere deep in rsyslog, there is an option that might send emails, so Debian in its unending wisdom determines that you MUST HAVE an MTA beyond this point. In Arch, `pacman -S rsyslog` installs just rsyslog and a few required shared libraries.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by icebraining on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:01AM (#15712002)
Also, it installs exactly what you want, instead of dozens of tangentially-related "suggested packages".

So does Debian, if that's what you tell it you want (either on the config file or as a CLI argument). Even without that, while it may suggest a full MTA by default, you can ask it for another solution and it'll suggest a simple mailer (like bsd-mailx).

I don't dispute that Arch's defaults guide you to a simpler system, but it's not really hard to start from Debian netinstall and add just what you need, package by package.

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by majewsky on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:52AM (#15712581)
> you can ask it for another solution and it'll suggest a simple mailer

Exactly. The correct solution for me is "no mailer at all".

Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by icebraining on Thursday November 16, 2017 @08:59AM (#15712633)
Right, so tell it not to install the recommended packages, like I said.
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by eeZah7Ux on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:29AM (#15711571)
There is no "autoconfigure magic". Daemons install standard configuration files and start by default. Autostart can be disabled, that's all.
Re:Dell’s gamble on Linux laptops has paid off by kccqzy on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:03AM (#15712021)
Suggested packages are off by default. You are talking about recommended packages which can be turned off via --no-install-recommends.