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Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by mikekchar on Thursday November 16, 2017 @12:31AM (#15710461)
I worked in a high school for 5 years teaching English as a foreign language. I was not a great teacher because being a teacher is really hard, but I learned a lot in those 5 years. I will let you in on a secret.

Education is not what the teacher does: it's what the student does. Most people think that the job of a teacher is to organise information and explain it to students to make it "easy to understand". This is just plain wrong. In fact, by doing so you cheat your students because you steal their opportunity to organise information and discover how to understand it.

1:1, 1:2, 1:20, or 1:40 doesn't actually matter from a perspective of teaching material. If we make the teacher the font of all information, then we also make the teacher the bottleneck of learning. I was teaching language and if you want native level fluency and proficiency, then you might need to spend up to native level time acquiring the language. In other words, to get to a 10 year old's ability, it might take you up to 10 years of nearly full time practice. Sorry, but I'm not going to teach you 58,400 hours (10 years, 16 hours a day) unless you have Bill Gates level money to spend.

So, you're going to spend something like 3 hours a week in my class, and only something like 30 of those weeks are going to be productive in a year (if I'm lucky). So that's a pidly 90 hours of instruction per year. I'm going to teach you practically nothing in that time.

This is what is wrong with education.

But getting back to 1:1 vs 1:40. In a 1 hour class, if I have 40 students I can spend just over a minute paying attention to each student. In other words, I'm going to present my pidly amount of information and hope like hell that you're going to do something useful with it -- because I do not have enough time to interact with even one person in the class. If you assume that 1 in 40 students have a behaviour problem (just 2.5%!) you will see that I will expect to be interrupted in every single one of my classes. So probably I won't even be able to present my pidly amount of information. Probably I will just babysit and the students who know how to study will do well, while the others do poorly.

As we reduce the ratio, I have more time to interact with the students. But it's really important to realise that if I waste that time trying to teach the material, I will do no good. So in fact, what I want to do is let the students study and then watch them so that I can can correct their behaviour. By doing that, they can become good students and succeed in studying.

How many students I can handle depends a lot on my class management skills and also on the students. Some students require no intervention. They just need a friendly, welcoming, and engaging environment in which to study. Some students need considerable attention. 1:1 might be amazing for some students, but even 1:10 or 1:20 could be amazing for others (depending on the teacher). Some students like to study alone, some like to study in pairs, some like to study in groups. You have to be flexible.

Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by smallnamespace on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:21AM (#15710598)
My first day with my new violin teacher, he asked me who my teacher was. I gave the normal answer, and he said 'Wrong! You are your own teacher. I am just here to help you teach yourself.' Have never forgotten those words.

We need teachers who will enable their students to learn for themselves. Only then can the teacher no longer be the bottleneck.

Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by davidzweig on Thursday November 16, 2017 @02:54AM (#15710876)
I'm making a low-cost multilingual audioplayer, that students can take home to get more exposure to a language. Programmable in JS. Just in case anyone is interested. https://photos.app.goo.gl/gLvng2La37aWIADE3
Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by jadbox on Thursday November 16, 2017 @01:21AM (#15710596)
I feel good online classes fit this scenario. Often all the material required for the course is presented and allows students to work at their own pace. Homework/papers are due every week to allow teachers to understand if students are learning the material properly. If not, the teachers will spend time with those students via video conference and other means to sheppard their performance. Of course, I've taken several bad online courses too where the teachers simply do not interact with students hardly at all.
Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by jansho on Thursday November 16, 2017 @10:26AM (#15713344)
> So that's a pidly 90 hours of instruction per year. I'm going to teach you practically nothing in that time.

Well, there’s always not enough time to teach something properly :) I don’t think that teachers need to be so idealistic, just as long as they tick-box the curriculum (sadly exams do matter a lot) and plant plenty of seeds which, we hope, would set root soon if not later in their lives.

By that I mean spending significant classroom time on interaction and the “fun stuff”. For example if it’s ESL and the students are into pop music, okay let’s decipher some Beyoncé or let’s try and mimic some funky singer’s accent. Do some immersive stuff, make it real. I’m a big fan of flipped classrooms, where students study most of the formal stuff for homework - this will also help them construct the knowledge in their own way - and then present it in class and have more meaningful discussions.

But I would say that if the students are beginners, then yes you do need to organise information to make it as easy as possible. The initial learning curve is always the hardest! When they become more comfortable and confident, they can always go back and revise their mental models.

Edit: Sorry, I didn’t take into account that you might be a private tutor. If you were, then I can absolutely relate to the frustration! Parents’ (totally unrealistic) expectations also do not help at all

Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by rahimnathwani on Thursday November 16, 2017 @05:53AM (#15711695)
I agree that:

- For language learning, total study time should be a multiple of classroom time. (From personal experience, I've found 10:3 to work pretty well.)

- Teaching can be very effective in groups of 1:10 or 1:20

- Classroom time should not be spent on introducing new material

However:

- For language learning in particular, I don't believe that 'let the students study and then watch them...' approach is best. If you're doing 1:1 or 1:2, you can actively manage the learning process by asking the student questions in the target language, and (for example) making them reply using newly-acquired grammatical structures.

- You've made the point that teacher:student ratio isn't the only important factor (agreed!) but haven't made a strong case that it's insignificant, or addressed my question about whether 1:1 is better (assuming money no object) than all other ratios.

Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by CrystalLangUser on Thursday November 16, 2017 @04:47AM (#15711406)
As an ESL teacher myself I sympathize with you. For real, it's frustrating how people [more like parents] just expect to send their kid to a private academy after school [more like 3-4 academies] 2x/3x a week and just expect them to know English. Even if the kids are actually interested, that's a paltry amount of time actually spent practicing English. Very few people understand this so private academies continue to be a big industry.
Re:Why Education Startups Do Not Succeed (2011) by neillyons on Thursday November 16, 2017 @07:28AM (#15712131)
This is really insightful. Thanks.