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Re:Senators push to ditch social security numbers in light o... by jack9 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @09:35PM (#15659330)
> SSN are NOT an identity mechanism

That's exactly what they are. I don't understand who you're trying to fool here. It's a number, for social security, that is assigned to a person. It's poor as an identification method, so it's commonly used in fraud, but that's just hand waving to distract from the discussion about the purpose.

Re:Senators push to ditch social security numbers in light o... by screature2 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @10:47PM (#15659682)
Don't think parent poster was trying to mislead. Sounds more like poster is complaining that SSNs got overloaded beyond their original purpose (as guids for the SSA) to being used for business authentication more generally and that because they started being used for purposes they weren't originally intended or designed for, it ended up being a generally bad at it.

I tend to agree. Best practices are that we shouldn't use guids as authentication/security mechanisms in software systems because 1. they aren't necessarily random so it's difficult to prevent fraud as a result of guessing and 2. you can't rectify authentication issues (e.g. via rotation of authentication or adding additional entropy) without compromising the identification function see (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4122#section-6).

We should never have used them as authentication methods IRL.

Re:Senators push to ditch social security numbers in light o... by chc on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @10:06PM (#15659489)
How in the world does the fact that it is an ID number in the Social Security system mean that it's meant to be used as an identity mechanism by businesses?
Re:Senators push to ditch social security numbers in light o... by godzilla82 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @10:29PM (#15659609)
Is it only used by businesses? Don't you have to provide the SSN for your driver's license? If the government is using it as an ID across it's departments, then it is an ID.
Re:Senators push to ditch social security numbers in light o... by screature2 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @11:15PM (#15659805)
Those are two separate statements. 1. It's an ID number in the Social Security System.

2. It's also now used as an authentication mechanism by many businesses (because it's relatively ubiquitous and banks, gov, etc. assumed that the SSN owner would and could keep it secret) :

    a. accepting card payments on stripe (https://support.stripe.com/questions/why-do-you-need-my-date-of-birth-and-4-digits-of-my-social-security-number)

    b. driving with lyft (https://www.lyft.com/drive-with-lyft under "What are Lyft’s requirements?")

    c. also for bonus points take a look at what happens when you search google for "SSN for resetting" and marvel at all the banks that let you reset your password with your SSN.
(update to try to fix formatting)
Re:Senators push to ditch social security numbers in light o... by dec0dedab0de on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @10:06PM (#15659487)
SSN are NOT an identity mechanism or infrastructure to facilitate business.

> SSN are NOT an identity mechanism

You purposely misquoted them to make your point. That's pretty lame.

Re:Senators push to ditch social security numbers in light o... by Dylan16807 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @12:29AM (#15660115)
It's a misquote if you parse the original statement as "NOT an ((identity mechanism or infrastructure) to facilitate business)" That would be removing important qualifiers.

It's not a misquote if you parse the original statement as "NOT ((an identity mechanism) or (infrastructure to facilitate business))". It's perfectly fine to simplify "Not A or B" into "Not A" when your argument is "Yes A".

In the context of godzilla82's wording, I think the latter interpretation is more likely, making it not a misquote. Even if that's mistaken, I doubt it was an intentional misquote.