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Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by jogjayr on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @01:52PM (#15655654)
Completely agree that weather makes a huge difference to how much you enjoy strolling outdoors over being in a mall.

My main complaint about malls is how _loud_ they are: visually and auditory-ly (someone please tell me what the right word is). Malls are crowded, adorned in bright, garish colors, filled with stale food court food smells. There is very little seating other than at food courts, water fountains are hidden far away in some corner, loud music plays almost all the time, or it's noisy because of all the people. In sunny Silicon Valley, parking is a nightmare but there'll only be one bike stand hidden in a 50 acre space. It somehow has all of the worst features of a busy bazaar with almost none of the good (local products, "authentic"-ness, ability to haggle etc). Just standing in a shopping mall stresses me out.

It's possible that the present state of the art of mall design ticks the boxes for the largest audience possible and I'm the weirdo.

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by taway_1212 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:51PM (#15656285)
I think it's just that the things you want don't translate into a good return on investment for the owners and so they don't get implemented. (i.e. customers would like them, but it would not translate into a increase in shopping large enough to actually justify the investment from the owner's point of view).

My wider (and a bit tangential/ranty) theory is that the most tacky, tasteless and lacking self-control customers are actually the most profitable, hence businesses generally tend to pander to them. It's just much easier to extract unreasonable amounts of money from someone who's unreasonable (an adult child basically) than from someone sensible and reasonable, so for example us techies are not the target for a lot of companies.

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by tspike on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:59PM (#15656380)
There's no way the returns on investing in making the mall a pleasurable place to hang out in the short term outweigh the costs, but if people depended on malls as part of their area's social fabric, I doubt they would be facing this kind of longer-term decline.
Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by jacobolus on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:01PM (#15656987)
This is why it’s tragic to have the primary public gathering spaces be privately owned and controlled with little insight or accountability from the public, only accessible by car and therefore cut off from the rest of the community by an ocean of parking lots and wide pedestrian-unfriendly streets.

The mall only cares about ROI, and providing a nice space for someone to sit and read a book, play hide and seek, host a club meeting, or stage a free play has little obvious monetary value.

Whatever amenities are provided will be carefully balanced against direct extra spending they bring in, instead of abstract civic improvement.

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by replicatorblog on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @03:44PM (#15656807)
This really depends on which mall you go to. The Mall of America is not far off of Disney's Epcot center in terms of the amenities it provides. The Galleria in Houston is almost a city unto itself. I remember seeing a bridal party walking through it once, I'm guessing there was a chapel or function hall inside. A typical mall in Tampa, Florida, or Salem, NH has less charm, but those areas aren't working from a high base to begin with.

In dense urban areas, malls tend towards the high end and can be quite nice. The Shops at Copley Place in Boston is fairly high end in terms of shops and the architecture is nice. The Westfield in SF is nice in my recollection.

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by collinmanderson on Thursday November 09, 2017 @10:40AM (#15663277)
Yup. Mall of America literally has a zoo (Sea Life Minnesota Aquarium) and an indoor amusement park.
Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by wahern on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @03:47PM (#15656835)
People do depend on malls as part of their area's social fabric. That's more true today than when Mall Rats was filmed, even though it's less cool now. It's the social fabric itself, not just the malls, which is disintegrating. Suburbia was never economically sustainable.
Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by ethbro on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:56PM (#15657935)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14400448

This has been discussed here before, and seems to be a bit of a blind spot for HN. Imagine you live in a place where there's only one "mall" nearby: that's most of America (geographically speaking).

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by DeltaCoast on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:39PM (#15656138)
I've also heard/used 'aurally'

src - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/aurally

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by photojosh on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @08:59PM (#15659138)
Not an answer to your question exactly, but to the whole premise: Gruen transfer [0]. We have a great TV show by that name here in Australia that deconstructs advertising.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gruen_transfer

Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by bussierem on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:07PM (#15655782)
RE: your grammar question: "Auditorily"
Re:America’s ‘Retail Apocalypse’ Is Really Just Beginning by jogjayr on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @03:30PM (#15656659)
Ah of course. Thanks