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Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by Eridrus on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:02PM (#15648076)
Am I reading this right: have they lost 3bn in the last 9 months?
Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by JonFish85 on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:04PM (#15648092)
The footnote kind of explains this:

"Net loss for the nine months ended September 30, 2017 includes $2.5 billion of stock-based compensation expense, primarily due to the recognition of expense related to RSUs with a performance condition satisfied on the effectiveness of the registration statement for our initial public offering."

I believe the vast majority of that was due to issuing stock to Evan Spiegel for successfully executing the IPO at given metrics.

Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by rrhd on Thursday November 09, 2017 @03:56PM (#15665816)
Totally deserves billions for running a money losing operation thats getting eaten alive by the competition.
Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by hkmurakami on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:05PM (#15648099)
iirc they handed out a very large amount of equity compensation around the time of IPO, which is recorded as an expense on the books.
Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by nl on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:06PM (#15648109)
Sort-of, but it's a once-off:

Net loss for the nine months ended September 30, 2017 includes $2.5 billion of stock-based compensation expense, primarily due to the recognition of expense related to RSUs with a performance condition satisfied on the effectiveness of the registration statement for our initial public offering.

Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by addicted on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:09PM (#15648137)
Still leaves ~600mm in losses. Which is still greater than the ~350mm in losses last year.

The idea that money given to employees as equity is not "real money" is toxic.

Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by dragonwriter on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:44PM (#15648401)
> The idea that money given to employees as equity is not "real money" is toxic.

Equity is not money, and employee-owned equity often isn't easy to convert to money, especially in non-public firms (but even in public firms, employees are often bound by insider-trading rules.)

Of course, costs associated with equity-based compensation are real costs to the firm, independent of the fact that equity is not money.

Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by nothrabannosir on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @06:17PM (#15648632)
I was struggling to make rent last year. My landlord wasn’t very interested in my options.
Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by atom-morgan on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:44PM (#15648405)
Am I the only one who finds the % change between $350mm and $600mm marked as "not meaningful" to be a bit odd?
Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by chipgap98 on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:27PM (#15648274)
Why? Don't most companies separate out their stock based compensation expenses?
Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by nl on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:39PM (#15648366)
Of course they do. And most separate out special expenses too.
Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by nl on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:38PM (#15648349)
The idea that money given to employees as equity is not "real money" is toxic.

Stock-based compensation isn't the same as cash. It has both costs and benefits, but saying it is "toxic" seems overreach.

Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by rrdharan on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @06:31PM (#15648727)
I'm not the person who wrote that but I think you're misinterpreting the statement.

I believe user addicted was trying to say is that companies are attempting to treat a large portion of compensation paid out to employees as somehow not material or meaningful, and that practice is toxic.

Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by addicted on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @07:15PM (#15648990)
Yes that is exactly what I was trying to convey.

They are obviously not the same thing (as the comment about trying to pay rent, for example, tries to point out). But at the same time, a lot of companies try to pass them off as not meaningful which I don't think is helpful even if toxic may be too strong a term. (SNAP's figures do that literally, giving us NM for change % numbees affected by the stock compensation).

Re:Snap Inc. Third Quarter 2017 Results by WillPostForFood on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:38PM (#15648355)
Speaking as someone who has received equity several times, it is not real money.