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Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by majormajor on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @02:50PM (#15646866)
What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US.

So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by vostok on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:04PM (#15647002)
Many countries will grant you a visa so long as you make over a certain amount. This is much more open than the American lottery system.
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by learc83 on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:08PM (#15647041)
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by vostok on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:09PM (#15647045)
I meant that they'll give you a visa if you make more than a certain amount not if you invest over a certain amount. I've now edited my comment.
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by learc83 on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:33PM (#15647278)
Sorry, you said "so long as you pay over a certain amount", so I just took the comment at face value.

>if you make more than a certain amount not if you invest over a certain amount.

I don't know any developed countries with that system. Do you?

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by vostok on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @04:02PM (#15647601)
Yes I've received job offers in developed countries under such schemes.

There might have technically been other minimal requirements like knowing English or the local language, but most people who fulfill the pay requirements will fulfill the minor requirements too if applicable.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by learc83 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @01:30PM (#15655371)
Do those minor requirements include working in specific industries, and are contingent on specific types of job offers?

If so that's not the same as an income requirement at all.

If not, I'd like a list of them because that's very interesting.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by utobi on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:33AM (#15650465)
One example is the Blue Card for Germany. The required amounts are ridiculous. It is not used a lot though, I guess people don't want to learn German :)
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by neeleshs on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:56PM (#15647539)
Out of curiosity, which are these countries?
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by jopsen on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @04:55PM (#15648025)
Denmark grants VISA if you find a job making > 62k USD per year. OR you work in an industry on the "positive list" which includes management, doctors, research, and tech jobs in general.

I'm sure lots of countries have similar rules.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by learc83 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @01:32PM (#15655397)
Doesn't Denmark have all kinds of rules that make it very hard for a foreigner to find an approved job in the first place though?

They have to demonstrate that they can't find a citizen to do the job etc...?

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by jopsen on Sunday November 12, 2017 @10:44PM (#15684135)
I don't think there is such requirements: https://www.workindenmark.dk https://www.nyidanmark.dk/en-us/coming_to_dk/work/work.htm

But: - tech salaries aren't US competitive - people often speak Danish (sometimes it's a requirement)

And while you'll probably do fine with English in Denmark in general. Long term you would need to learn the language. And to be fair, it's a useless language, there is only 5M speakers, why would anyone spend time learning that? :)

And yes, you would experience racism too. Just because it's a borderline social-libertarian paradise doesn't mean all the people are angels.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by utobi on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @02:34AM (#15650466)
Germany has something similar called Blue Card.
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by vilmosi on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:17PM (#15648198)
Isn't that the point of a visa? That you're a benefit to society?
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by pmoriarty on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:18PM (#15647133)
"practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US. So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous..."

A disadvantage or an advantage? It's always seemed to me that people from other countries and cultures contributed very positively to what the US is today.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by majormajor on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:58PM (#15648494)
Nothing is purely good or bad at every level.

One thing that gets somewhat ignored for political reasons is assimilation/integration. Of course there was never a purely smooth, even, perfect melting pot, and there's a large history of enclaves in America, but today there are parties taking that to a prescriptive rule of "don't culturally appropriate" that feels self-defeating (and just dumb, frankly).

There's also room for a discussion of what good qualities to explicitly promote adoption of for shared values, etc.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by mywittyname on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @04:57PM (#15648040)
Are other countries really overly generous? I'm only (vaguely) familiar with Canada, having worked with several Canadian immigrants, and the impression I get is that Canada is dead simple to immigrate to. So much so that there are suburbs of Toronto with so many Chinese immigrants that there are strip malls where all of the street signs are written in Chinese.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.8408304,-79.398378,3a,53.5y,...

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by akhilcacharya on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:32PM (#15647272)
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by majormajor on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:59PM (#15648499)
That's not what that means, unless you're using it differently than it sounds. My claim is that the US is not unique, is not a special magical land, but is only as good or as bad as we make it, and no citizen of any country should ignore their own agency in helping shape those paths.
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by maxerickson on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @02:53PM (#15646895)
What disadvantage are you talking about?
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by majormajor on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @02:56PM (#15646929)
Generally churn factors. Stuff like importing young talent opening up further exposure to that talent moving on but also atrophying your in-country educational structures and investment. Kinda the societal version of "publish or perish" - always chasing just short-term dollars, without regard to long-term planning. If you want to import people to do the good jobs, but also want to ship the cheap jobs away, what happens to everyone squeezed out?
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by anigbrowl on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @04:08PM (#15647662)
We can retrain and redistribute resources to them, but for some reason the people who are most concerned about short term profits are the least willing to share them with others.

You might like to ruminate on teh fact that while Trump demonizes immigrants out of one side of his mouth, the resort he owns at Mar-A-Lago- was able to get 70 H1-B visas to hire hotel staff, despite the availability of some 5000 such people in Florida's state employment opportunities database and a whole lot of US citizens in Puerto Rico that are in search of economic opportunity right about now. Not that you were making a partisan point, but this is a great example of how the rhetorical divisions in American politics do not line up with the business practices.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by majormajor on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:55PM (#15648477)
Right, it's a partisan point but it shouldn't be. I know perfectly well Trump is often full of shit and do-what-I-say-not-what-I-do. But unpartisanifying the discussion of pros/cons of immigration vs outsourcing vs insourcing vs how to help other countries vs what to focus on in our own borders would be beneficial.
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by anigbrowl on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @10:10PM (#15649667)
It might, but I can't help feeling you're assuming your conclusion a bit by treating migration as the problem. Maybe it's something else in the nature of the economic system. Other species seem to get OK without our hyper-territoriality.
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Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by sctb on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @05:46PM (#15648421)
Please don't troll like this here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by cat199 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:30AM (#15662625)
responding to OP who said:

" What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US.

So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about. "

my point is that things have shifted, and is perfectly in line with the parent which has +1 vote and was not considered a 'troll'..

line-of-discusison kthx

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by jacquesm on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @03:36PM (#15647314)
None of those are uniquely fascist, just like breathing isn't.

You're missing an 's' there. To make life a bit easier and to focus the discussion here is an easy to digest page on the subject:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

If after reading that you still feel that JFK would be a fascist then I don't know what to do next.

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by cat199 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:32AM (#15662648)
way to be pedantic about spelling and miss the point..

I said "By modern dem logic, JFK would be a facist"

now, thankfully corrected to:

"By modern dem logic, JFK would be a fascist"

not that I actually believed him to be a facscist.

glad you caught that 1 letter spelling typo though..

Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by pcwalton on Tuesday November 07, 2017 @04:20PM (#15647753)
What on Earth does most of this list have to do with the article or this discussion? This is the kind of thing that I would expect to see from Pepe avatars on Twitter, not HN.
Re:USCIS is challenging an unusually large number of H-1B ap... by cat199 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @09:33AM (#15662653)
responding to OP who said:

" What US Democrats ignore is that practically every damn country in the world does this too, often to a higher degree than the US.

So there's a pragmatic question of how to avoid putting yourself at a disadvantage by being comparatively overgenerous that you don't have to be a "paleoconservative" or Trump supporter, or even Republican, to be concerned about. "

my point is that things have shifted, and is perfectly in line with the parent which has +1 vote and was not considered a 'troll'..

line-of-discusison kthx.