The idea that complex behavior can be caused by genes in animals, but somehow not in humans is incorrect. People point to culture as if it is some magical force that makes people do things, but the human ability to create and interact with culture is itself the result of genes. After all, zebras and lions don’t have culture.
And you missed my point: I grew up in a culture that did not value having children. Having children was considered an after thought, something to be done after you had attended to your career. Growing up, I only knew one family with 4 children. They were considered the weird religious family. Yet I have known since I was 12 or 13 that I wanted to have a large family, even though I grew up in a culture that would look down their noses at a family of 4 or more children.
And the argument that poor people have lots of children for financial reasons doesn’t hold up any more. It did when most people were farmers, but the poor in the developed world are no longer farmers and I don’t think there’s any way to argue that children are a net financial benefit to them.
that's not true!
It's not even the main drive for many apes and monkeys…
> The idea that complex behavior can be caused by genes in animals, but somehow not in humans is incorrect
But I didn't say that
I said we are not those animals and don't live by the same rules
The complex behaviour of catching a mouse in a cat is genetic
Should humans behave the same when they see a mouse?
> I grew up in a culture that did not value having children.
Oh that's even more powerful
Youth rebellion
Do exactly the opposite that your parents and people around you are doing
> And the argument that poor people have lots of children for financial reasons doesn’t hold up any more
It does now more than ever
Now that globalization is taking a lot of poor countries out of poverty
Just watch Hans Rosling's talks
Easy: being on top of the food chain allowed us to evolve our relations beyond having an offspring
Those having more satisfactory relations formed groups that we now call families up to the point where sex today is mostly recreational
basically pleasurable sex gave us mate choice just like a bird chose the best dancer or a lioness the stronger male
pleasure instead of strength in the long run made happiness a goal in our modern societies instead of simply domination
we don't have sex just in some period of the year
we enjoy sex just like we enjoy eating or having fun
For a cat or a dog sex is not pleasurable, it's just a relief from heat, but we call it rape.
We're not zebra and lions
> knew long before we were anywhere near adults that we wanted families
peer pressure is strong in our society
family is a motivation to stay alive for many
> I knew I wanted to have a bunch of kids.
Yeah I though I knew as well, much like I thought I was going to be an astronaut
Now I'm a grown up man, in charge of his life, and I know I don't care about a family
And it's not the gene's telling me, I still think about having a legacy, a mini me persisting my DNA but I know that it's just a legacy from the past where a man without a family to support wasn't a real man.
That's it, education and culture
If reproducing was such a strong genetic trait, men on heart would have been billions centuries ago
The truth is kids are family support, the more societies get rich, the less people make children
It's scientifically proven, poor need kids not for reproduction but for elderly support
Poor also make a lot of children because in poor societies kids die more easily