Re:Shut up and calculate: an extreme mathematical universe
by malkarouri on Monday November 06, 2017 @02:33PM
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Why wouldn't reality contain contradictions?
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Re:Shut up and calculate: an extreme mathematical universe
by hackinthebochs on Monday November 06, 2017 @02:57PM
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I mean in the logical sense. If reality could contain logical contradictions then that would mean reality isn't rule-based, which means unconstrained randomness, no information, no meaning, etc.
Re:Shut up and calculate: an extreme mathematical universe
by namelost on Monday November 06, 2017 @03:33PM
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But the contradiction is in the mathematical model not reality. Even a totally random universe follows some kind of distribution, which can then be modelled (which is exactly what QM is).
Re:Shut up and calculate: an extreme mathematical universe
by naasking on Monday November 06, 2017 @11:30PM
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> But the contradiction is in the mathematical model not reality.
He's assuming a mathematical model that faithfully represents reality, hence "reality can't contain contradictions". We're not going to one day find a contradiction and vanish in a puff of logic, the ultimate model of reality will be contradiction-free.
Re:Shut up and calculate: an extreme mathematical universe
by hackinthebochs on Monday November 06, 2017 @04:22PM
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>But the contradiction is in the mathematical model not reality
So then you're saying reality can't have a logical contradiction? Seems like you're agreeing with the original statement.
>Even a totally random universe follows some kind of distribution
Which is just a kind of rule.