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Re:The Rise of Workplace Surveillance by gambiting on Monday November 06, 2017 @09:28AM (#15635642)
I feel like this is a part of UK's ongoing effort to make ubiquitous surveillance a completely normal thing and have the citizens accept it as such. It's not creepy and disturbing, it's actually normal and should be celebrated!
Re:The Rise of Workplace Surveillance by pjc50 on Monday November 06, 2017 @09:38AM (#15635706)
I think this would only be legal in the UK if it was made clear that the communications were subject to monitoring; see https://ico.org.uk/media/for-organisations/documents/1066/em... pp58 onwards.

I can see it being argued both ways; transcripts of Bloomberg chat were a key part of the LIBOR scandal, for example. And I can also see there being some need to monitor internal chat in case it's used for unacceptable purposes such as sexual harassment.

Something about the automatedness of a very private situation gives me the creeps, though.

Re:The Rise of Workplace Surveillance by arkh on Monday November 06, 2017 @10:00AM (#15635887)
> And I can also see there being some need to monitor internal chat in case it's used for unacceptable purposes such as sexual harassment.

You don't want simple monitoring. You want data stored in a way it can be checked after a complaint has been filed but only then. Encrypt it with something which requires one or multiple keys so random IT people don't have access to it. Log every access so an audit can be done.

Treat it like medical data should be treated.

Re:The Rise of Workplace Surveillance by albertgoeswoof on Monday November 06, 2017 @09:46AM (#15635776)
Any communications where the user has an expectation of privacy (this includes company chat programs) should be securely stored (encrypted), and require a court order to access, that goes through normal legal proceedings (e.g. in a criminal or civil case). It should not be legal for a random manager or company to access this data.

The key here is expectation of privacy. If you're posting on a JIRA ticket, you have no expectation of privacy within those with access to the board, nor if you send an email as it can easily be forwarded (although that could be contentious). If you send a message through a DM on slack though, you can expect that to remain private indefinitely.

Re:The Rise of Workplace Surveillance by gambiting on Monday November 06, 2017 @09:53AM (#15635833)
Like, I'm ok with my employer reading my work emails - that's obviously in my contract. But there's something really creepy about automated software that automatically flags messages/actions for review because they are "suspicious". Same with using my webcam to take pictures of me while I work.
Re:The Rise of Workplace Surveillance by Bartweiss on Monday November 06, 2017 @10:47AM (#15636256)
There's a common pattern of suggesting that if an employer (or state, or university, or...) can access data, there's no problem when they do. I think it's a pretty serious error.

Broadly, automated surveillance creates illusory offenses. It raises issues based on some imperfect set of rules, and does so independent of any report of harm. (Add to that the likelihood of unethical flagging - which happened right in the article!)

And that creates an obligation to act for employers. Ignoring alerts, no matter how silly, is the sort of thing that might get cited as negligence when a real problem does come down the pike. At best, the result is time-consuming investigations of fake issues. At worst, corporate makes a decision that summary firings are an easier bet than proper investigations.

That's not just a hypothetical fear - we already hear about things like Amazon warehouse employees being laid off on vague suspicion of theft, because investigations are harder than replacing staff. Expanding always-active surveillance will predictably hurt innocents who already lack job security.