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Re:Windows Vista source code by LostInTheWoods on Sunday April 06, 2008 @03:05PM (#156319)
I am tired of people bashing Windows! Enough already. Your customers are using Windows, and that is all that matters.

Anyone in the business of creating software (including online apps) must support Windows. It can not be ignored, and should be taken quite seriously.

Re:Windows Vista source code by cperciva on Sunday April 06, 2008 @03:18PM (#156334)
Your customers are using Windows, and that is all that matters.

My customers aren't using Windows.

... ok, I don't have any customers yet. But when I launch, FreeBSD and Linux will be the only supported operating systems (with other BSDs to follow as soon as someone cares enough to ask for them; and OS X on the near-term to-do list). Windows is too expensive to support; and in any case, people who care about security probably aren't using Windows anyway.

Re:Windows Vista source code by mynameishere on Sunday April 06, 2008 @05:58PM (#156441)
people who care about security probably aren't using Windows anyway

I can assure you that the DoD cares about security. I am curious about why Windows would be "too expensive" to support.

Re:Windows Vista source code by cperciva on Sunday April 06, 2008 @06:55PM (#156471)
I am curious about why Windows would be "too expensive" to support.

Two reasons: 1. With system files, file locking, the registry, and similar complications, Windows makes backup software far more complicated than necessary -- in this case, "expensive" means "it would take a long time to write all the necessary code". 2. Windows users are generally less clueful, and therefore require more time-consuming hand-holding.

EDIT: There's also another benefit to starting with FreeBSD: Many FreeBSD users know and trust the project's security officer, while most Windows users haven't a clue who I am. :-)

Re:Windows Vista source code by revolvingcur on Sunday April 06, 2008 @07:09PM (#156477)
"2. Windows users are generally less clueful, and therefore require more time-consuming hand-holding."

And you earnestly believe that forcing them to use BSD would make them somehow better able to grok computing?

Re:Windows Vista source code by cperciva on Sunday April 06, 2008 @11:56PM (#156646)
Not at all. I'm not saying that I want my customers to use FreeBSD -- I'm saying that I don't want customers who use Windows.
Re:Windows Vista source code by Hexstream on Sunday April 06, 2008 @03:34PM (#156347)
I'm sorry but it's difficult for me to take a laughable platform "quite seriously". (granted, Windows is a great platform for games).

I can tell you I won't support Windows and will ignore it for the foreseeable future. I'm making web apps, for fuck's sake! (And if IE wants my support, then it just has to support standards better and my site will automagically support it, for the most part).

Re:Windows Vista source code by mixmax on Sunday April 06, 2008 @03:46PM (#156364)
I think this is a dangerous position to take of you want to run a business.

In business it's about doing something that your customers want, and if they run IE as their browser they want your site to work on their computers. If it doesn't they will find one that does.

Re:Windows Vista source code by Zak on Sunday April 06, 2008 @05:25PM (#156430)
Sad but true. Unless your market is extremely computer-savvy, you will lose business by not supporting IE. You might be able to get away with "for best performance, use something else", but if major features don't work, it will hurt you.
Re:Windows Vista source code by LostInTheWoods on Sunday April 06, 2008 @03:45PM (#156363)
I'm not up to date on the current Windows OS or IE marketshare. I am pretty certain it is still in the high 90s for both. If you're comfortable ignoring that portion of the market, good luck to you.
Re:Windows Vista source code by cstejerean on Sunday April 06, 2008 @04:10PM (#156385)
High 90s? The problem is too many people continue to think that IE/Windows is still the only platform that matters.