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Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by sheeshkebab on Saturday November 04, 2017 @04:51PM (#15626846)
Crypto currencies definitely are a great alternative to local currencies in third world countries. I’m from one of those, lived through hyperinflation that wiped out my parents savings and left them with nothing at the end, watched the entire industries and countries get decimated bc they wouldn’t agree on which local currency to trade in, people work and get paid in money that is worthless next month. Whatever helps people in those places is great!
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by joe_the_user on Saturday November 04, 2017 @05:17PM (#15626939)
I suppose I'd have two questions about this.

One is what proportion of ordinary people could actually get access to bitcoins in third world nations.

Another is whether bitcoin mining will wind-up being a way to launder money and access to energy in the third world - we often hear about oil, diamonds and minerals being taken during conflicts in third world nations. If someone could turn oil into wealth with nothing more than an Internet connection and a portable server-farm, a whole range of abuses might be possible. It's been claim bitcoin mining in China can be a way to subvert currency controls already.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by Mediterraneo10 on Saturday November 04, 2017 @05:34PM (#15627015)
> One is what proportion of ordinary people could actually get access to bitcoins in third world nations.

I don’t know about truly impoverished countries of Africa, but I have seen more Bitcoin storefronts and Bitcoin kiosks in South America and Eastern Europe than in wealthier countries of North America or Western Europe.

It’s also worth keeping in mind that Sub-Saharan Africa was very quick to adopt mobile payments. The countries may be poor, but millions of people may have phones even if they don’t have electricity or running water in their homes, and they are able to do a lot with those phones.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by narrator on Saturday November 04, 2017 @10:40PM (#15627916)
All you need to get access to bitcoin anywhere in the world is a <$40 smartphone and an account on localbitcoins.com.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by MichaelGG on Sunday November 05, 2017 @12:25PM (#15630410)
Sort of. Some places have very limited coverage on LBC. I've gone through my old ads ($50 BTC!) and in Guatemala it is still sparse. There's a bit of money pitching it on Facebook groups and grabbing a 5-10%+ markup nickle and diming it.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by ejanus on Sunday November 05, 2017 @06:43AM (#15629022)
What do you gain by controlling currency beyond corruption?
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by quickben on Sunday November 05, 2017 @01:42PM (#15630839)
Actually it's the opposite. If you don't control the currency, you end up with a ton of corruption.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by ejanus on Sunday November 05, 2017 @06:30PM (#15632436)
It is pretty obvious that you really experienced such policy .
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by quickben on Monday November 06, 2017 @09:29AM (#15635646)
Yeah, lived in a country through an embargo, several wars in the neighborhood, more horrible stuff than that in the economy too.

Bottom line: people are creative creatures. Either we have some rules we can all agree on and enforce them, or people will start inventing all sort of, erm, market optimizations techniques to survive and prosper.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by eru on Sunday November 05, 2017 @10:00AM (#15629685)
Not only mining, but also bitcoin gambling.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by gcb0 on Sunday November 05, 2017 @01:20AM (#15628273)
wishful thinking, sadly not backed up by the reality.

BTC is not helping much in Venezuela. basic goods are hyperinflated in both local currency, USD and BTC.

it's just that by looking at people who happens to own USD or BTC in the feel-good articles we have from there on this topic, they can afford much more than others because of better economic situation before the crisis.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by wjnc on Sunday November 05, 2017 @01:42AM (#15628418)
If there is inflation in non-local currency, wouldn't that point to massive supply chain problems on the ground. Can't fault currencies for that.

BTC is not helping Venezuela since there is a state induced apocalypse going on. No currency can help with that.

With less extreme inflationary events, like bad monetary policy, that do not destroy all supply chains, currencies like BTC should be able to help retain wealth.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by rbanffy on Sunday November 05, 2017 @12:15PM (#15630343)
> wouldn't that point to massive supply chain problems on the ground

I'd like to point out such problems can be easily manufactured if some points in the supply chain are heavily concentrated.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by dmichulke on Sunday November 05, 2017 @05:09AM (#15628851)
> BTC is not helping much in Venezuela. basic goods are hyperinflated in both local currency, USD and BTC.

As long as imports are allowed (or at least there is a black market), importers should be willing to sell for at USD and BTC, so in theory USD and BTC are still better than local currency.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by elmar on Saturday November 04, 2017 @06:19PM (#15627177)
Personally I feel that the big unfulfilled promise of Bitcoin is the financial inclusion of the Billions of unbanked worldwide.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by lokerfoi on Saturday November 04, 2017 @06:50PM (#15627268)
Yeah. The moment I heard of it I thought this would be the ultimate goal. But it turned out to be a value store for the first world. No longer is it electronic cash, more like electronic gold.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by dgut on Saturday November 04, 2017 @06:24PM (#15627195)
Many working on that, obviously not with dinosaur Bitcoin as a currency. See Mojaloop, Stellar/IBM, Humaniq, WeTrust and a bunch more that I can't immediately remember.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by ejanus on Sunday November 05, 2017 @06:39AM (#15629012)
But Crypto currencies are not immune to hyperinflation. And you may lose your key which is worse than having a currency of depreciating weight.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by jjallen on Sunday November 05, 2017 @01:39PM (#15630825)
Keys are still easier to store and harder to confiscate than chunks of gold or fiat are. Can memorize them (worst case), store paper or tiny sd card in sock or shoe if afraid of it being confiscated or perhaps email it to you. Or tell part of it to different family members.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by Fnoord on Monday November 06, 2017 @10:47AM (#15636253)
I think the correct setup is have three BTC accounts:

0) One for plausible deniability. You give this one away whilst under extreme pressure (torture).

1) For small expenses. This key you know yourself, in your head. Don't mix it up with #0. You could merge #0 and #1 if you feel relatively safe.

2) Savings. This key you give to multiple escrows.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by JumpCrisscross on Sunday November 05, 2017 @12:03AM (#15628137)
> Whatever helps people in those places is great!

What fraction of people in those places have access to reliable computing, connectivity and electricity?

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by coryl on Sunday November 05, 2017 @12:20AM (#15628153)
http://allafrica.com/stories/201704251054.html

THERE are currently 960 million mobile subscriptions across Africa - an 80 percent penetration rate among the continent's population. Internet penetration is at 18 percent with 216 million internet users, according to the latest Jumia mobile trend report for Africa.

I don't know if mobile subscription includes data but you have Wifi at cafes and such.

Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by eru on Sunday November 05, 2017 @10:07AM (#15629718)
Though for Africa m-pesa is probably way more important that bitcoin.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by ejanus on Sunday November 05, 2017 @06:48AM (#15629031)
Jumia is into etailing and exploitation.... Don't reference their data .....
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by ageofwant on Sunday November 05, 2017 @12:57AM (#15628219)
The vast majority, 80% at least.
Re:Diary of an African Cryptocurrency Miner by bitxbitxbitcoin on Saturday November 04, 2017 @08:06PM (#15627481)
The true promise of cryptocurrency :).