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Re:How Adversarial Attacks Work by Winterflow3r on Thursday November 02, 2017 @04:48PM (#15614167)
No, this paper by Papernot et al shows how to do blackbox attacks without knowledge of model internals. https://arxiv.org/abs/1602.02697
Re:How Adversarial Attacks Work by naveen99 on Thursday November 02, 2017 @06:31PM (#15614906)
Thanks. But they still need to be able to use the black box a brute force number of times on shady inputs and get detailed outputs during their gradient descent. Not going to be allowed on a check reader or anything sensitive.
Re:How Adversarial Attacks Work by haraldurt on Thursday November 02, 2017 @07:50PM (#15615454)
Not necessarily. Adversarial examples have been shown to, for instance, be transferable across different networks with different hyperparameters (e.g., number of layers) trained on disjoint subsets of a training set [0, section 4.2]. There are more references from the paper linked by the OP.

[0] https://arxiv.org/abs/1312.6199

Re:How Adversarial Attacks Work by naveen99 on Friday November 03, 2017 @08:19AM (#15618552)
Thanks. I wonder if adversarial training helps prevent overfitting too. Could you use adversarial training to beat alphago ?
Re:How Adversarial Attacks Work by yorwba on Friday November 03, 2017 @09:45AM (#15619145)
You could not, because AlphaGo is not a classifier (so it isn't well-defined what an adversarial example is) and the input space is discrete (Go board state) and you can't do ε-small perturbations (two different states differ by at least one stone).