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Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by beat on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @01:55PM (#15595121)
To be clear here - being a poor speller, due to dyslexia or any other reason, is not the problem. But if you know you are a poor speller, you should have someone who is a good speller edit your resume, looking for spelling errors.

If you know a misspelled resume can cost you a job, and you don't take additional steps to make sure it's spelled correctly, that's careless.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by einarfd on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @02:55PM (#15595619)
As I said earlier, getting someone to prof read your text, and catch all the problems is not as easy as you would think. Nor is getting a spell checker to catch all your errors.

I have to admit I thought I was done with getting graded on spelling in high school. I haven't seen anything on either side of the fence, in my carer to indicate that some spelling mistakes is enough to cost people an opportunity. But I'm sure your right and there are companies out there that does that. But I don't need to work in every company, only the good ones. So it hasn't been a problem for me so far.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by beat on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @03:31PM (#15595867)
One of my best friends has a MD and an MBA degree. He currently manages a $100M investment portfolio. We chat online almost daily.

He is, by far, the worst speller I know. Even after 20+ years of online conversation, I can barely understand what he's saying sometimes.

He also passes bits of professional writing past me for validation, usually to check his intent. His professional writing is always perfectly spelled, with impeccable grammar. He relies heavily on both software and human checks (secretaries and copywriters) to insure the basic quality of his writing. That's one reason why a truly wretched speller makes more in bonuses alone than I make in salary.

So yes, I have a hard time forgiving a misspelled resume. If he can do it, you can do it, too.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by ckoerner on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @03:55PM (#15596029)
I don't mean to challenge you, but I think your assumptions about how easy it is for others to do something you consider rudimentary are based in an undeclared set of privileges and fortune. A few possible scenarios where getting help might not be as easy as asking a partner, friend, or colleague to help review things.

A first-generation college grad paying their way through school by working full time in a new town.

A single parent trying to get into a field while working and caring for their family.

A non-native English speaker who perhaps understands the general structure of the English language, but not the nuances of grammar (or what is expected in a Western CV/Resume).

I hope you could see that your earnest appreciation for proper spelling is unfair to apply in such a black/white dichotomy. I kindly ask you to reconsider your approach.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by user5994461 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @05:20PM (#15596702)
The college grad is surrounded by other college grads who can review his writings.

The parent is surrounded by family who can review his writings.

The non native English speaker with poor spelling knows first hand that he needs his resume to get reviewed. And he should not expect to easily find a highly qualified job that requires to write English in an English speaking country if he can't read and write English.

So far, your examples only manage to show that people could manage just fine and if they can't they were not qualified for the job.

English is not a rare skill. There is no shortage of people who can write decently.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by beat on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @05:12PM (#15596631)
But that leaves me with a problem - I still need to turn this stack of 100 resumes into something I can be expected to work through, given the limited availability of my most expensive resource - time. I don't want to interview 100 candidates. I want to interview five. That means 19 out of 20 need to be eliminated before it even gets to the interview process.

The spelling heuristic gets rid of between 5 and 20%, right away. A lot of those resumes would also be caught by other heuristics (no ten page resumes, etc). Most of your concern cases would also fall to my other filters as well. And quite frankly, if a resume jumped out at me in a positive way, but it had three or four or five typos? I'd interview. It's not a hard and fast rule.

It's not as black and white as you think it is.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by user5994461 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @05:24PM (#15596730)
Between us, you should try to introduce automated Hacker Rank testing in your company.

It's a relevant filter and it's a terrific value for time.

A good old exercise to print number from 1 to 100 and then 100 to 1. That's the sort of things that get rid of half the candidates.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by einarfd on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @04:58PM (#15596504)
So your argument is that your rich friend can hire people to prof read his writing. So everyone else can do that to?

That does sound like a solution that will work, but maybe not practical for everyone?

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by beat on Wednesday November 01, 2017 @10:38AM (#15601504)
Back when we were college students, he wasn't rich. Yet he got through med school (med school!). He asked friends like me to check things, when they mattered.

You keep looking for excuses, not solutions. He knew, and knows, he has a problem with spelling. So he does everything he can to get the help he needs to keep his spelling from limiting his career. He did it when he was a poor college student. Now, he can get secretaries to check, because he has a successful career built around his strengths, rather than letting his limitations define him.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by user5994461 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @03:01PM (#15595669)
>>> As I said earlier, getting someone to prof read your text, and catch all the problems is not as easy as you would think.

Careless and bad at collaboration. Noted.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by mikeash on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @02:35PM (#15595447)
Isn't that rather circular? You need to ensure you don't have spelling mistakes, otherwise that indicates carelessness because it could cost you a job. Why would it cost you a non-spelling-related job? Because it indicates carelessness!

If we criticize job applicants for mistakes which are unrelated to their field, why shouldn't we do the same for employers? Rejecting applicants for spelling mistakes is not in and of itself a problem, but it indicates carelessness in the hiring process so maybe it's not a good place to work.

It's interesting to think about crafting a resume, not only to get a favorable response from places you'd want to work, but to deliberately create an unfavorable response from places you wouldn't

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by jdgiese on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @03:03PM (#15595687)
> but it indicates carelessness in the hiring process

Perhaps we are using the word careless differently, but I don't see how using heuristics like this implies carelessness on behalf of the employer. If anything, it seems to indicate that the employer is making a well-reasoned choice to balance economic constraints with company values.

I run a small software consulting firm and have now hired three people (not too many). I believe that attention to detail and pride in how you present yourself, either via your resume or your code quality, is essential. For this reason, I think applicants should spell-check their resume (or use Grammarly).

In fact, we even mention this in our company values page:

> We value correct grammar and a strong grasp of the English language.

> We write with a clear and professional tone in our external communication.

> We try not to send vague or confusing emails.

> We invest in improving our writing, presentation, and conversational skills.

http://innolitics.com/about/#communicate-clearly

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by mikeash on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @03:48PM (#15595969)
Do you have other people proofread and spellcheck all of your external communication?
Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by setr on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:37AM (#15608307)
I couldn't care less if I make a typo in HN; But an email to my professor, I'll review several times without even thinking about it. Probably won't get someone else to proofread it, but that's because I trust my own competence in reviewing my own short texts, and in writing English.

But my friends from India, they'll send me emails to proofread if its important, because, y'know, it's sensible, correct and most importantly, it's polite to do so.

It seems absurd to me that the significance of typos needs to be defended; Maybe the treatment of resumes as any more important than a text message, but if we assume it's important, then why the hell would you let something as simple as typos through easily?

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by mikeash on Thursday November 02, 2017 @10:54AM (#15610917)
I can see that it's good to avoid typos. But at the same time, why the hell are you judging the suitability of a professional in a complex technical field based on typos in something they only write once every few years?

The argument for the latter seems to be circular: we reject people on that basis because typos indicate a broader lack of care, which they indicate because we reject people on that basis.

Re:We only hire the best means we only hire the trendiest (2... by setr on Thursday November 02, 2017 @02:23PM (#15612894)
Its mostly a question of where to spend effort; In the same way I'm probably not going to read a paper with a shoddily written abstract, unless external reasons apply (ie the paper was recommended to me by someone trustworthy), it doesn't make sense for me to try to parse a shoddily written resume.

It takes more effort to do so, and its nonsensical for the person not to put effort into it, because its only written once ebery few years, and because its the first point of contact.

If you're going to operate at the level of a tenth grader, why would I assume you have anything more to offer than what a tenth grader might?

Of course the metric might fail, but hey, there's a hundred other resumes to have to go through too, and you managed to imply you're incompetent right off the bat, so I'm probably better off looking elsewhere.

Theres also the aspect that I personally don't want to put up with shoddy writing, and also the fact that these are not long documents. Its like 1-3 pages half-sentences and spacing everywhere; I'm hardly asking the world of you by requiring you bother verifying what you write.

>But at the same time, why the hell are you judging the suitability of a professional in a complex technical field based on typos in something they only write once every few years

Because, with the exception of some rare positions, there are a lot of people suitable for the job. There are also a lot of people who will apply without being suitable. And a lot of the people who apply at random, aka sloppily, are presumably also sloppy about the rest of the process.

So filtering on sloppiness is probably a decent utility; of course it'll remove the sloppy suitable candidates, and it won't remove the non-sloppy unsuitable candidates, but hey.

Alternatively we can do modern hr stuff like filtering resumes on key-word searches, so if you're an expert in Oracle 11d but not Oracle 11e....

Every filter is fucked somehow; but typos seem to me one of the least fucked, precisely because its so easy to avoid. You only write it once every few years.