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Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by ChuckMcM on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @12:46PM (#15594606)
It certainly seems to validate the strategy of "grand challenges" to focus research. One could argue that the X prize helped spawn today's commercial space companies. So does this mean a good way for benevolent billionaires to improve the world would be to sponsor things like this? Certainly Gate's sponsoring the toilets prize was influential in bringing out better sanitation ideas.

I wonder if anyone would sponsor a prize for an 'off grid' sustainable living space. People create slums and homeless encampments out of a variety of cast off materials, is there a way to create housing for people which would be safer and enhance their quality of life without also creating a public burden? Perhaps that is a pipe dream but it is something I wonder about.

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by rory096 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @12:56PM (#15594674)
>One could argue that the X prize helped spawn today's commercial space companies.

That'd be a stretch. The Ansari X Prize led to a bunch of companies pursuing a goal with little commercial value and few designs with orbital aspirations. The winner led to a costly, dead-end design that has still yet to fly again for suborbital tourism, killed four people along the way, and will never service orbit. The rest of the companies are either dead or vaporware.

That said, I'm generally in favor of prize-based challenges to spur development at lower cost, as long as you aren't forced to set a goal that's entirely tangential to what you want out of industry. Newt Gingrich is a notable supporter of the idea, but I'm not aware of any other prominent politicians who support it.

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by jkimmel on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @09:35PM (#15598276)
Sanders proposed a prize system for pharmaceuticals. It's an interesting alternative to patents for rewarding innovation in that space particularly, which is entirely patent dependent.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s627/text

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by ChuckMcM on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @02:07PM (#15595229)
Agreed it is a stretch, but the argument would be that Virgin Galactic is exactly the follow-on to the rocket that won the x-prize and that Blue Origin's effort came out of their work to win the x-prize but didn't get it done in time.

That said, the challenge is a goal that, if accomplished, results in some foundation capability (like vehicle navigation in the 'real' world). I was hoping the robotics challenge that DARPA has been running would have similar benefits but those efforts don't seem nearly as applicable to everyday stuff.

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by melling on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @01:01PM (#15594710)
Hasn’t this been validated for hundreds of years? The Story of Longitude is a great read. Harrison spent decades working on the problem.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longitude_(book)

The Spirit of St. Louis crossing the Atlantic was for a prize, and I believe an inspiration for the current X-Prize.

I don’t think we need “grand challenges” but simply challenges, to help get us to successive breakthroughs.

I’ve thrown this out before, but a Kickstarter for these “challenges“, with well-defined goals might help accelerate technological progress.

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by jacquesm on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @03:36PM (#15595898)
Capitalism is a huge motivator by itself. Come out ahead of the competition and reap the benefits, it's a permanent contest. It's not without its downsides (externalization) but it definitely seems to move the needle.
Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by chiefalchemist on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @04:34PM (#15596303)
I think some (e.g., Koch Bros) would argue that we don't really have capitalism. That (too often?) Uncle Sam steps in and unbalances the market, often in favor of current winners.

A contest, equally open to all, certainly feels like an appropriate proxy.

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by melling on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @04:10PM (#15596137)
yes, but that doesn’t mean it’s the best solution for all problems. Investors/founders want to have their exit strategy. We get a lot of “uber of”, etc, for example.

http://som.yale.edu/peter-thiel-yale-we-wanted-flying-cars-i...

The goal might not be a marketable solution but a step in the desired direction. I don’t know the limits of this type of prize but it’s worth pursuing:

https://www.xprize.org/about

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by matt4077 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @04:53PM (#15596457)
You might enjoy the "tiny house" idea that's been trending for a while: https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tiny+house

There are also various initiatives and competitions in the "sustainable living" space that fit the bill, such as https://www.solardecathlon.gov

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by ChuckMcM on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @05:49PM (#15596892)
I do really enjoy the ideas that have come out of the tiny house theme. I don't like the politics it brings out[1]. One of the on going issues is sanitation (Bill Gate's efforts not withstanding), can you provide sanitation in a reliable and difficult to screw up way?

In my notebook I sketched out a possible windmill / pump idea that would pump water to a reservoir which, when full would 'flush' for all of the commodes it served. Challenges are odors and blockages, and a reliable sluice system.

And what would it be like if you let people cook with fire in their space? (lots of small spaces in Brazil and India with simple three stone type cookfires. Is it possible to accommodate something like that without creating an undue fire risk?

[1] http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/08/28/san-jose-proposes-just...

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by t420mom on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @06:22PM (#15597113)
There's the BioLite stoves: https://www.bioliteenergy.com/products/basecamp

They are high-efficiency, low-smoke wood stoves and the company actually tries to make a difference to people that rely on fire for cooking: https://www.bioliteenergy.com/pages/mission

I've had the camp stove for a couple of years and it works really well. I wouldn't recommend using it indoors (the monoxide risk if nothing else), but it definitely fits in with the off-grid movement.

Re:A Pentagon-funded contest spawned many of today’s self-dr... by sp332 on Tuesday October 31, 2017 @01:02PM (#15594718)
The trouble with your particular scenario is that when it comes to improved efficiency, newer stuff will always win, so that excludes cast-off materials. If being off-grid were cheaper than being on-grid, no one would be on the grid.